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Judge Hands Down Order Prohibiting Man From Sexual Relationship
 
# 1 : Sunday 6-2-2011 @ 01:45
 
marlbo
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A man with a low IQ has been banned from having sexual intercourse by a High Court judge in the UK, who admitted the case raised questions about "civil liberties and personal autonomy".

The 41-year-old had been in a relationship with a man with whom he lived and told officials "it would make me feel happy" for it to continue.

But his local council, which provides his accommodation, decided his "vigorous sex drive" was inappropriate and that with an IQ of 48 and a "moderate" learning disability, he did not understand what he was doing. And so, the council started legal proceedings to restrict the relationship.

A psychiatrist involved in the case tried to prevent the man from being given sex education, on the grounds that it would leave him "confused".

Mr Justice Mostyn said the case was "legally, intellectually and morally" complex as sex is "one of the most basic human functions" and the court must "tread especially carefully" when the state tries to curtail it.

But he agreed that the man, known only as Alan, should not be allowed to have intercourse with anyone on the grounds that he did not have the mental capacity to understand the health risks associated with his actions.

Under the judge's order, the man is now subject to "close supervision" by the local authority to ensure he does not break the highly unusual order.

Supervision

The judge concluded: "In such circumstances it is agreed that the present regime for Alan's supervision and for the prevention of future sexual activity is in his best interests."

It is the latest controversial case to come before Britain's Court of Protection.

Under the Mental Capacity Act 2005, its judges have the power to make life-or-death decisions for people deemed to lack the intelligence to make them for themselves -- such as ordering that they undergo surgery, have forced abortions, have life-support switched off or be forced to use contraception.

In the latest case, Alan was described as being physically able but "seriously challenged in all aspects of his mental functionality".

Alan was also accused of making lewd gestures at children in a dentists's surgery and on a bus, although no police action was taken.

The town hall began court proceedings in 2009 to restrict contact between Alan and the man with whom he had a relationship on the grounds that he lacked mental capacity, and an interim order was made.

"Since then Alan has been subjected to close supervision to prevent any further sexual activity on his part," said the judge. (© Daily Telegraph, London)

- Martin Beckford in London

Irish Independent

I wonder does the fact he was in a gay relationship have anything to do with the ruling.
How can anyone define capacity and restrict one's sexual life when no law has been broken ?



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# 2 : Sunday 6-2-2011 @ 04:52
 
tripper
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Laws prohibiting marriage and thus sexual conduct with "imbeciles and idiots" have been on the books for over two hundred years. I don't think it is the gay aspect that has caused a problem in this relationship.

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# 3 : Sunday 6-2-2011 @ 08:39
 
Nathan
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The other guys was probably just using him. Maybe the order should have been made against the other guy.
But what good is it to prevent him to have sex: what is he acts against children if he, because of the lack of sex.
Do they need to chemically castrate him to make the order work? Is it human?

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# 4 : Sunday 6-2-2011 @ 11:07
 
crystalc
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Wow what a complex moral question,,how can you deny anyone the expression of a very powerful impulse and desire.

But if it is a consensual adult relationship I don't see anything wrong with it, but is it an exploitable relationship, but its still consensual.

I don't think it is a gay thing, according to the article he does have an interest in children, that brings his behavior into dangerous ground.

Also it has to be said a chemical castration will not stop his desire, the desire is mental rather then physical its why castration does not work as treatment for a pedophile. The desire is not in your penis but your mind, you can't castrate the mind.

I think I would have made the same judgment as the judge but I also would have sentenced his adult partner to at least a clatter.





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# 5 : Sunday 6-2-2011 @ 11:26
 
Lego man
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it's strange they don't mention much about his partner but yeah with the info given it sounds like the right thing to do as the man has the mind of a child

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# 6 : Sunday 6-2-2011 @ 11:56
 
AnNunAMass
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Why doesnt someone make a law against teenagers having sex as they lack the mental and emotional maturity to have sex. ....and why not make it illegal for travellers to have sex as a great deal of them have an IQ way under a 100 ..... and ban elderley people from sex on the gronds of Health and Safety as they are more likeley to break a hip.. fuck why dont we make a law against anyone that are functionally illiterate ,typically between 40%to 50% in most westeren countries .....note the sarcasam

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# 7 : Sunday 6-2-2011 @ 11:59
 
Lego man
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NatureNun said :
Why doesnt someone make a law against teenagers having sex as they lack the mental and emotional maturity to have sex. ....and why not make it illegal for travellers to have sex as a great deal of them have an IQ way under a 100 ..... and ban elderley people from sex on the gronds of Health and Safety as they are more likeley to break a hip.. fuck why dont we make a law against anyone that are functionally illiterate ,typically between 40%to 50% in most westeren countries .....note the sarcasam

with facts like that maybe you should be banned from sex

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# 8 : Sunday 6-2-2011 @ 12:03
 
Nathan
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NatureNun said :
Why doesnt someone make a law against teenagers having sex as they lack the mental and emotional maturity to have sex.


There are: they cannot have sex with adults!
(Did you not know?)

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# 9 : Sunday 6-2-2011 @ 13:59
 
Buddha
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Fuck me sideways?

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# 10 : Sunday 6-2-2011 @ 14:04
 
Kaede
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4john said :

I don't think it is a gay thing, according to the article he does have an interest in children, that brings his behavior into dangerous ground.


No. It said he was accused at making lewd gestures. It depend on exactly what those gestures were, it doesn't automatically suggest he has an interest in kids.

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# 11 : Sunday 6-2-2011 @ 14:34
 
crystalc
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Kaede said :


No. It said he was accused at making lewd gestures. It depend on exactly what those gestures were, it doesn't automatically suggest he has an interest in kids.


But would a guy with an IQ of 48 be sophisticated enough to make lewd playful flirty comments. I don't know, but I don't think so, if he is not then he has intent which is dangerous.


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# 12 : Sunday 6-2-2011 @ 14:39
 
Shavano
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Taken from: http://wilderdom.com/intelligence/IQWhatScoresMean.html

IQ Scores & Ratings
What is a good IQ score? What is a high IQ score? What is a low IQ score? These are common questions, particularly after someone finds out their score from an IQ test.

Lewis Terman (1916) developed the original notion of IQ and proposed this scale for classifying IQ scores:

Over 140 - Genius or near genius

120 - 140 - Very superior intelligence

110 - 119 - Superior intelligence

90 - 109 - Normal or average intelligence

80 - 89 - Dullness

70 - 79 - Borderline deficiency

Under 70 - Definite feeble-mindedness

Normal Distribution & IQ Scores
The properties of the normal distribution apply to IQ scores:

50% of IQ scores fall between 90 and 110

70% of IQ scores fall between 85 and 115

95% of IQ scores fall between 70 and 130

99.5% of IQ scores fall between 60 and 140

Low IQ & Mental Retardation
5% of people have an IQ under 70 and this is generally considered as the benchmark for "mental retardation", a condition of limited mental ability in that it produces difficulty in adapting to the demands of life.

Severity of mental retardation can be broken into 4 levels:

50-70 - Mild mental retardation (85%)

35-50 - Moderate mental retardation (10%)

20-35 - Severe mental retardation (4%)

IQ < 20 - Profound mental retardation (1%)

High IQ & Genius IQ
Genius IQ is generally considered to begin around 140 to 145, representing ~.25% of the population (1 in 400). Here's a rough guide:

115-124 - Above average (e.g., university students)
125-134 - Gifted (e.g., post-graduate students)
135-144 - Highly gifted (e.g., intellectuals)
145-154 - Genius (e.g., professors)
155-164 - Genius (e.g., Nobel Prize winners)
165-179 - High genius
180-200 - Highest genius
>200 - "Unmeasurable genius"
More notes on High IQ and Genius IQ:

Einstein was considered to "only" have an IQ of about 160.

Mensa is a society for people with high IQ, in the top 2% (1 in 50).

Edited By Oeiny, 06 February 2011, 14:40

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# 13 : Sunday 6-2-2011 @ 14:47
 
crystalc
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I thought those tests where discredited, they where brought in to test immigrants going into the states, the ones that didn't reach a certain level where sent packing, They also started racial profiling and they stopped all Asian and African immigrants as well.

I actually did an IQ test and I was alright, so you see they are bullshit.



Edited By 4john, 06 February 2011, 14:47

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# 14 : Sunday 6-2-2011 @ 14:47
 
riotousned
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if he made lewd gestures at kids,that should be the end of it no matter what his IQ is in my opinion! he needs to be looked at.

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# 15 : Sunday 6-2-2011 @ 14:48
 
crystalc
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riotousned said :
if he made lewd gestures at kids,that should be the end of it no matter what his IQ is in my opinion! he needs to be looked at.


I think so to.

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