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Is GCN Relevant?
 
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# 16 : Friday 26-8-2011 @ 20:29
 
 
It's not the only Irish LGBT publication.
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# 17 : Friday 26-8-2011 @ 20:39
 
 
From what I can see most gay oriented publications have moved from activism towards lifestyle issues in the past 15 years. Attitude was really the one of first gay magazines to do so back in the mid 1990s when it was launched.

I think the shift has happened becuase the LGBT community has won most of the rights that were denied to them and the emphasis has thus moved from the struggle for equality towards "lifestyle" subject matter and the whole arena of the "pink euro" that has developed in the past 15 or so years.
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# 18 : Friday 26-8-2011 @ 21:14
 
 
Someone said :
From what I can see most gay oriented publications have moved from activism towards lifestyle issues in the past 15 years. Attitude was really the one of first gay magazines to do so back in the mid 1990s when it was launched.

I think the shift has happened becuase the LGBT community has won most of the rights that were denied to them and the emphasis has thus moved from the struggle for equality towards "lifestyle" subject matter and the whole arena of the "pink euro" that has developed int eh past 15 or so years.

All true, but where does GCN fit in the new 'today'. As a relative noob, I've seen gcn for the past 2 years but never cared about it or what's in it and never been able to see the rush to protect it's existence. If it's only there as a vague social outlet, surely the money is much better spent on gmhp and the others mentioned above.
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# 19 : Friday 26-8-2011 @ 23:49
 
 
Someone said :
The pro-GCN people seem to be saying that we need a print publication for LGBT in Ireland. And I agree. But is GCN really that publication? As it stands now, and as it's been consistently for the past 4-5 years, is it relevent?

What exactly would make a magazine relevant? I gues the following might make a magazine relevant for an lgbt readership:
- news about current legal or social developments that are about lgbt issues;
- news about current or recent indivents that are particularly relevantto lgbt people;
- news about lgbt organisations;
- news about lgbt people;
- articles about lgbt history;
- articles about lgbt-related films, books, TV, radio.

Many of the "news" items in that list can be difficult for a monthly magazine to deal with: (a) the web, blogs and discussion boards mean most of the obvious aspects of the news has been thrashed out well before a magazine hits the clear plastic stands; (b) getting at deeper stuff requires time and expertise (a problem that gives us "churnalism" in the mainstream newspapers); (c) deeper stuff can be boring.

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# 20 : Saturday 27-8-2011 @ 00:34
 
 
I think any gay publication is relevant. Gcn is an irish gay mag and we dont have many/any of them. It is current and well written and features the whole country rather than just dublin. I feel at times it could do with more articles but for a publication that gets revenue only from advertising and a fundraising drive i find the quality fantatsic. I supported it by subscribing, even though i could pick it up on a night out, but i thik it is a worthwhile addition to our community
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# 21 : Saturday 27-8-2011 @ 00:51
 
 
There have been numerous efforts to provide Irish gay magazines over the years. I can remember a magazine called "Identity" which had some excellent short stories (one of which I still chuckle at the memory of). There was "Innuendo" not so long ago. I myself helped out in an effort to create a magazine about 20 years ago but it never got off the ground. All the magazines that did launch were short lived - except GCN. It has been the survivor so it must have been doing something right. I think the problem is that the Irish gay market is too small to support more than one glossy magazine. In general I think GCN does a reasonable job. I don't read it cover to cover but usually find something of interest in it. My main bugbear is that it gives very little attention to gay sport. However as long as it is published I'll keep reading it.

I agree with other posters about the British magazines being dominated by lifestyle features - "fluff" I call it. I've been getting Gay Times (GT) since it started and I think its quality has greatly deteriorated. On the other hand Attitude, which was the original gay fluff magazine, now seems to carry more serious articles.
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# 22 : Saturday 27-8-2011 @ 00:54
 
 
I read GCN back when I was young and closeted and whatnot. I just liked knowing that there were gay people in real life and not just on the internet. But I'd say it's over a year since I've read it. There is nothing in it that intrests me really. If I hear about a good article in it, I'll read just the one article online.
I'm sure there are people who are where I was that read and benefit from it but I don't any more.
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# 23 : Saturday 27-8-2011 @ 09:45
 
 
Someone said :

What exactly would make a magazine relevant? I gues the following might make a magazine relevant for an lgbt readership:
- news about current legal or social developments that are about lgbt issues;
- news about current or recent indivents that are particularly relevantto lgbt people;
- news about lgbt organisations;
- news about lgbt people;
- articles about lgbt history;
- articles about lgbt-related films, books, TV, radio.

Many of the "news" items in that list can be difficult for a monthly magazine to deal with: (a) the web, blogs and discussion boards mean most of the obvious aspects of the news has been thrashed out well before a magazine hits the clear plastic stands; (b) getting at deeper stuff requires time and expertise (a problem that gives us "churnalism" in the mainstream newspapers); (c) deeper stuff can be boring.

But that's just it, isn't it. GCN can't provide these elements because they're a monthly and because they're playing it safe. So why should we continue to protect it and pay for it if it's just a lifestyle magazine? Surely that's not giving much to the community?

I totally see why people want to protect it. But why should we protect it in its current state? It has a small full time staff that bring out one magazine a month. There are lots of other free magazines that I'd pick up ahead of it and this just shouldn't be the case.
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# 24 : Saturday 27-8-2011 @ 13:31
 
 
Someone said :
GCN can't provide these elements because [...] they're playing it safe.

What do you mean when you say they are "playing it safe"?

Someone said :
So why should we continue to protect it and pay for it

Well, I'm not paying for it; I think theonly ones who pay for it are those with a postal subscription.
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# 25 : Saturday 27-8-2011 @ 17:52
 
 
I've only looked at it a handful of times and found it rubbish. There are a few bits of helpful info but nothing, as far as i could see, that you couldn't get online. The lifestyle stuff is just fluff and has nothing in it that I can relate to. By all means people should support it if they like it or if they feel that anything keeping anyone employed should be supported but I can't imagine what social or political value it could have that makes it a worthy cause in itself. (personal opinion there, not intended to downplay whatever significance it had in the past, I don't know anything about that. I looked to Hot Press as a repressed midlands teen).
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# 26 : Saturday 27-8-2011 @ 20:22
 
 
They need to stop overhaling it, just stop completely and start again. Relaunch, change the forum. I'm hurtling towards 22, and it does NOTHING for me. I see it, and don't pick it up. There's nothing between the covers for me...
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# 27 : Saturday 27-8-2011 @ 20:39
 
 
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They need to stop overhaling it, just stop completely and start again. Relaunch, change the forum. I'm hurtling towards 22, and it does NOTHING for me. I see it, and don't pick it up. There's nothing between the covers for me...

But what should be between the covers to attract you to pick it up?
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# 28 : Sunday 28-8-2011 @ 08:28
 
 
Someone said :

What do you mean when you say they are "playing it safe"?

They're playing it safe with all the lifestyle stuff. It's not interesting but at least it fills the pages and convinces advertisers to keep advertising.

Someone said :

Well, I'm not paying for it; I think theonly ones who pay for it are those with a postal subscription.

By paying for it I mean all the charitible donations it gets. And you may be donating without even realising it. Both Mother and the new Momma's Place cafe are set up to support the GCN Forever campaign. GCN as it is, is not working. The poll is split 50/50. If it was working you wouldn't get that. It's meant to be for the community but it's not servicing the whole community at all. So my point is that if it's not working, then shouldn't these donations be shared elsewhere, to organisations that are in dire need of money. No one could argue that GMHP isn't doing an amazing job. But their resources are seriously stretched! Last year there was a chance that the PDC course would be scrapped but they somehow saved it. Imagine if all the money that was donated to GCN went to GMHP; imagine all the good they could do!

I just don't see GCN doing any good right now.
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# 29 : Sunday 28-8-2011 @ 12:18
 
 
What would gaireans like to see in an Irish lgbt magazine?
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# 30 : Sunday 28-8-2011 @ 12:32
 
 
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What would gaireans like to see in an Irish lgbt magazine?

Politics/Campaigning - I'd like to see it take it a lead on something like section 37

Transparency - Telling us what groups like GLEN and NLGF do

Communication - Actually reporting on things like changes in the Garda liaison programme or on hate crime research or perhaps telling us what all of the 150 differences between civil partnership and marriage equality are

Investigation - Doing some investigative reporting research on things e.g. bullying/harassment in the workplace or maybe something like domestic violence in lgbt relationships


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