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# 31 : Tuesday 13-9-2011 @ 16:24
 
Mango
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BorstalBoy said :


i agree with you in that we need to be cautious , ideally treating each child on case to case basis though rather than having some crude guideline which can have children and young adults suicidal or totally maladjusted in their lives when its perfectly obvious that only one thing is wrong with them, their given gender..

youre right of course, but surely there is a better way
i worry about how these formative years for the kids will be wasted and traumatic to a point that when they finally do get surgery they will be so fecked up in the head that their lives will be forever in the shadow of it



Any thoughts on this?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/09/13/boy-10-goes-b etc ...

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# 32 : Tuesday 13-9-2011 @ 18:18
 
greenmanpp
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Hy Pixie.

I wasn't backing either of those arguments over the other. I was merely presenting both sides based on how you define Gender Dysphoria.

My own personal opinion is cloudy. but I will say calling a sex change op "cosmetic" is illogical and unfair to someone like yourself who's suffering with being in "the wrong body".
Cosmetic is "visual" and yes secondary sex characteristics are visual (hair, build etc). But genitals!? genitals are cosmetic!? not a chance.
Your sex organs are the least cosmetic thing you have. Actual balls and a penis, or actual vaginae and ovaries they're the least cosmetic thing you own, they are your "physical sex".

So while I won't commit to saying "Gender Dysphoria" is or is not a disability. I will say a sex change operation is not by definition cosmetic.

I know it sounds silly saying it, but like glasses(for example), a sex change op is half necessity half vanity (I mean this in a sincere way, not in a belittling way). Considering you can get free glasses but they're cheap and nasty, and you're much better off putting some of your own extra cash or with the help of your PAYE or government scheme to get nice ones etc. wouldn't it be fair to think the same should be true of something as fundamentally important to a person's life as a sex change operation?

Your glasses become part of your "face", you do need them (to see) but they also need to hold their weight in the cosmetic end of things (which is no one's problem but yours).

Likewise I theorize that there should be a sex change op available to anyone who "needs" one for psychological health reasons that is free and then have the option of putting in extra money to get the "Cosmetic" end of the deal like somebody who gets their prescription lenses paid for (so they can function with eyesight) but pays for better looking frames then the free hideous plastic ones.

so I say: yes people deserve free Sex change ops if they cant afford it.
but only under the condition that the "physical sex change" is paid for and not additional plastic or cosmetic elements.

sounds good? bad? stupid? evil? I'm evil aren't I?





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# 33 : Wednesday 14-9-2011 @ 14:06
 
Mango
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www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0914/1224304082329.html

Another Galway TD calling for the state not to pay for it.

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# 34 : Wednesday 14-9-2011 @ 17:36
 
Superfour
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Read this today.

THE HSE paid for 14 sex-change surgeries abroad over a five-year period, it has emerged.

Gender reassignment surgery is not available in Ireland but it can be organised abroad and financed by the HSE under the E112 Treatment Abroad Scheme.

Recent figures show that the HSE received 14 applications for the operation under the scheme between 2005 and 2010, and that it granted them all.

While the HSE could not reveal the total cost of the procedures, as it argued that it was "commercially sensitive", it is understood that such operations could cost up to €63,000, without taking into account the cost of travel and post-operative therapy.

Gender reassignment surgery has been approved for public patients who suffer from Gender Identity Disorder (GID).

It consists of an operation to alter a patient's genitalia to resemble the sexual characteristics of the other sex.

Most patients who applied for the operation under the E112 scheme were treated in Britain where the cost of the operations are estimated at approximately €63,000 for female-to-male procedures and €30,000 for male-to-female transgender operations.

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The Treatment Abroad Scheme allows for patients to be treated in the EU or in Switzerland at the State's expense if the treatment is necessary and not available in Ireland.

Patients must provide evidence from a medical consultant that they require the operation.

A Fine Gael politician has expressed concern that sex change operations may not be necessary and remarked that they are controversial.

"There is a body of opinion within the medical profession that considers the surgery to be entirely inappropriate for the treatment of gender identity disorder," Galway West TD Brian Walsh said.

"If, in fact, the surgery is within the definition of what is medically necessary, the question must be asked why the procedures are not provided within the State at present?"

An American psychiatrist, Dr Paul McHugh, has labelled gender surgery "grim and disfiguring" which could be compared to treating someone who suffers from anorexia with liposuction. In the US, the op is considered a cosmetic procedure.

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# 35 : Wednesday 14-9-2011 @ 18:07
 
Jupiterkid
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Superfour said :
Read this today.

THE HSE paid for 14 sex-change surgeries abroad over a five-year period, it has emerged.

Gender reassignment surgery is not available in Ireland but it can be organised abroad and financed by the HSE under the E112 Treatment Abroad Scheme.

Recent figures show that the HSE received 14 applications for the operation under the scheme between 2005 and 2010, and that it granted them all.

While the HSE could not reveal the total cost of the procedures, as it argued that it was "commercially sensitive", it is understood that such operations could cost up to €63,000, without taking into account the cost of travel and post-operative therapy.

Gender reassignment surgery has been approved for public patients who suffer from Gender Identity Disorder (GID).

It consists of an operation to alter a patient's genitalia to resemble the sexual characteristics of the other sex.

Most patients who applied for the operation under the E112 scheme were treated in Britain where the cost of the operations are estimated at approximately €63,000 for female-to-male procedures and €30,000 for male-to-female transgender operations.

OPINION

The Treatment Abroad Scheme allows for patients to be treated in the EU or in Switzerland at the State's expense if the treatment is necessary and not available in Ireland.

Patients must provide evidence from a medical consultant that they require the operation.

A Fine Gael politician has expressed concern that sex change operations may not be necessary and remarked that they are controversial.

"There is a body of opinion within the medical profession that considers the surgery to be entirely inappropriate for the treatment of gender identity disorder," Galway West TD Brian Walsh said.

"If, in fact, the surgery is within the definition of what is medically necessary, the question must be asked why the procedures are not provided within the State at present?"

An American psychiatrist, Dr Paul McHugh, has labelled gender surgery "grim and disfiguring" which could be compared to treating someone who suffers from anorexia with liposuction. In the US, the op is considered a cosmetic procedure.



It has been proven in neurology that the vast majority of transgender individuals have the brain archictecture of the opposite sex. Imagine being born in a body that is the opposite sex to your brain? I can't imagine the confusion, trauma, anguish and suffering that it must cause.

To consider the gender reassignment operation as "cosmetic" is as ignorant and callous as one can get. As BorstalBoy opined, this is life enhancing and indeed life saving surgery in many cases.

I've no doubt that in time society will look back and be shocked and appalled at how insensitive and ignorant people were to the plight of transgendered individuals. As most Gaireans are comprised of gay men and lesbian women, we of all people should be acutely aware of the marginalisation and ridicule suffered by the TG community.

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# 36 : Wednesday 14-9-2011 @ 18:18
 
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An American psychiatrist, Dr Paul McHugh, has labelled gender surgery "grim and disfiguring" which could be compared to treating someone who suffers from anorexia with liposuction. In the US, the op is considered a cosmetic procedure.



I find it unbelievable that a psychiatrist would say that...


The number or people having gender reassignment is tiny, there is no reason the state shouldn't fund it.

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# 37 : Wednesday 14-9-2011 @ 18:21
 
blaH
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Frodo said :


I find it unbelievable that a psychiatrist would say that...


The number or people having gender reassignment is tiny, there is no reason the state shouldn't fund it.


I suppose that a number of people have such a deformed view of their own virility... that they cannot admit the possibility that a man may be born a woman, and vice-versa.

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# 38 : Wednesday 14-9-2011 @ 19:07
 
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Having gender reassignment surgery is a difficult and very long-drawn out process and it isn't a decision anyone would take lightly. I feel it should be paid for by the state for those who don't have the means to pay themselves.

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# 39 : Wednesday 14-9-2011 @ 21:46
 
Mango
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Frodo said :


The number or people having gender reassignment is tiny, there is no reason the state shouldn't fund it.


I know - 14 people over 5 years - I mean why are people moaning about that!

Frodo said :


I find it unbelievable that a psychiatrist would say that...


That part was added by Superfour - it wasn't in the original Irish Times Article

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14 September 2011, 21:49


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