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# 16 : Tuesday 10-4-2012 @ 16:25
 
 
Someone said :
Is someone from Glen angling to be made a senator or something?

Or something, I suspect. The Equality Authority and Human Rights Commission are to be merged, and I wouldn't be surprised if Kieran Rose, currently on the board of the Equality Authority, would like to continue to serve.
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# 17 : Tuesday 10-4-2012 @ 16:30
 
 
Civil Marriage for Same-Sex Couples is the next Incremental Step

On the first anniversary of Civil Partnership, GLEN states that the move to civil marriage for same-sex couples is the next incremental step for full Constitutional equality for lesbian and gay people.

“Civil marriage should be open to all citizens, including lesbians and gay men, as a matter of equal citizenship in a democratic Republic” said Kieran Rose, GLEN Chair.

“The move to civil marriage for same-sex couples now is not a massive legislative leap; it is an incremental step building on powerful Civil Partnership legislation and on the enthusiastic general welcome by Irish people for the Civil Partnerships that have already taken place” continued Rose.

“The hundreds of lesbian and gay couples who have publicly celebrated their civil partnerships have brought the day of civil marriage much, much closer” continued Rose.

The first public civil partnerships took place in Ireland one year ago this month. In the nine months from April 2011 to the end of the year, over 530 couples went to their registry offices across all counties and before the registrar affirmed their love and commitment to each other in legally binding relationships.

“There has been an overwhelming welcome for these new wedding celebrations with family, friends and neighbours, and including high-profile media coverage of delighted couples, both on the front pages of local newspapers and on regional radio stations across the country” said Rose.

The Civil Partnership legislation, with the singular exception of parenting where reform is urgently needed, provides almost all of the rights and responsibilities of civil marriage. The Constitution and its provisions relating to civil marriage have been interpreted by the courts to date as excluding lesbian and gay couples from the right to marry.

“There is a growing political consensus for civil marriage for same-sex couples and the forthcoming Constitutional Convention provides a further opportunity to tease out the issues and to further build a solid consensus for civil marriage for same-sex couples” concluded Rose.
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# 18 : Tuesday 10-4-2012 @ 16:44
 
 
In fairness to GLEN, it looks like those who argued that gaining civil partnership would damage the potential to have civil marriage were just plain wrong. The social factors, combined with all the parties trying to broaden their appeal are seeing to that.
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# 19 : Tuesday 10-4-2012 @ 18:24
 
 
Someone said :
In fairness to GLEN, it looks like those who argued that gaining civil partnership would damage the potential to have civil marriage were just plain wrong.

I'm not sure I agree. I've heard various gays refer to civil partnership ceremonies as weddings and to the civil partners as husbands. In a recent thread about Marriage Equality there was a strong 'What's the big deal' vibe.

I supported civil partnership as a step towards civil marriage, but I do feel that the campaign has very much lost momentum and been set back.
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# 20 : Tuesday 10-4-2012 @ 19:42
 
 
Minister for Children Acknowledges Need for Progress on Children in Civil Partnerships

“GLEN welcomes the very positive statements today by the Minister for Children Frances Fitzgerald TD on the need for progress on lesbian and gay families with children” said Kieran Rose, GLEN Chair.

Currently, children whose parents are in a civil partnership cannot have the protection of a legal relationship with both parents. “We welcome the Minister’s recognition that, from the perspective of the child and what’s best for the child, we should not discriminate on the protections provided, and that we need to find a way of addressing these issues” continued Rose.

“The legal recognition, protection and security for children in same-sex headed families are urgent issues that need to be addressed. We welcome the Minister’s support for an examination of the issues” continued Rose.

The Minister, speaking in an interview with today’s Evening Herald, recognises that issues for children in civil partnerships need to be resolved. When asked about gay adoption the Minister is quoted as saying “I think that civil partnership is what we have at the moment. There are outstanding issues in relation to children in a civil partnership; we need to find ways of addressing those issues first. We need to take one step at a time.”

“Civil Partnership provides a legal framework on which issues such of those of guardianship, support and maintenance can be addressed quickly. The Programme for Government committed to address the issues for children in Civil Partnerships and we would encourage the Government to prioritise and bring forward proposals that provide urgently needed protection for lesbian and gay families.” concluded Rose.

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# 21 : Tuesday 10-4-2012 @ 21:24
 
 
Someone said :

Or something, I suspect. The Equality Authority and Human Rights Commission are to be merged, and I wouldn't be surprised if Kieran Rose, currently on the board of the Equality Authority, would like to continue to serve.

or chair of whatever it will be called
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# 22 : Tuesday 10-4-2012 @ 21:53
 
 
Jeebus! The pace of those press releases are absurd.
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# 23 : Wednesday 11-4-2012 @ 00:01
 
 
Someone said :

I'm not sure I agree. I've heard various gays refer to civil partnership ceremonies as weddings and to the civil partners as husbands. In a recent thread about Marriage Equality there was a strong 'What's the big deal' vibe.

I supported civil partnership as a step towards civil marriage, but I do feel that the campaign has very much lost momentum and been set back.

Oh it's definitely lost momentum in terms of marches and gay anger. I meant that it hasn't damaged the overall momentum which is accelerating with all parties supporting it and the government saying it will be considered by the constitutional convention.
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# 24 : Wednesday 11-4-2012 @ 07:54
 
 
The next step will probably be settled by the courts once there is a problem with custody of a child with a surviving partner. If the Irish government don't sort it out, Europe will, again, force their hand.

The optimist in me would hope that when the UK introduce full marriage and it is available in the north of Ireland, they will see sense. I doubt it though.
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# 25 : Wednesday 11-4-2012 @ 13:08
 
 
Someone said :
What annoys me most about GLEN is that they seem to think that they have some sort of mandate to speak on behalf of the LGBT community in Ireland. That to me is sheer arrogance. GLEN does not speak for me.

They may not speak for you but do you realise how much they achieved for you? As someone who was about 18 in 1993 you may not realise how big and how effective a role GLEN played in the campaign to decriminalise homosexual acts. They were effective because they were low key and relied on the power of reasoned persuasion rather than shouting and roaring
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# 26 : Wednesday 11-4-2012 @ 13:36
 
 
Minister to bring forward proposals to protect gay teachers

GLEN welcomes the strong statements made by Education Minister Ruairi Quinn at yesterdays ASTI Conference in Cork of his intention to quickly fulfil the Programme for Government commitment to remove discriminations against gay people that may prevent them taking up employment as teachers.

“The Minister’s statement sends an unambiguous message to lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) teachers that they will be protected in employment and in accessing employment and promotion in the same way as their heterosexual counterparts. This will do much to remove the ‘chill factor’ that the threat of Section 37.1 brings for lesbian and gay teachers” said Sandra Irwin-Gowran of GLEN.

Section 37.1 of the Employment Equality Act exempts religious controlled institutions from the provisions of the Act on the grounds of protecting their religious ethos. While no case has yet been brought which alleges discrimination in this context, Section 37.1 has meant that employees or prospective employees, whose lives may possibly be interpreted to be contrary to the religious ethos of some religions, have lived in fear for their jobs and their prospects within their employment.

“GLEN have strongly welcomed and supported the draft Bill recently published by Senator Averil Power of Fianna Fail. This Bill aims to ensure that employees or prospective employees in religious run institutions, such as schools, cannot be discriminated against just because they are married, single, divorced or in a civil partnership, or because they are lesbian or gay”, continued Irwin-Gowran.
“GLEN welcomes the involvement of the Minister in the discussions on the Bill. There is now strong cross-party support to progress the issues through the Oireachtas and we look forward to supporting further progress to finally remove this potential for discrimination from the Statue Book” continued Irwin-Gowran.
“GLEN has worked with all parties in bringing attention to the impact of Section 37.1 and we hope that speedy progress will mean another school year will not pass when lesbian and gay teachers feel under threat”.

The Minister quite rightly linked change of Section 37.1 to his innovative proposal for a Forum on Bullying to take place on May 17th and which will be supported by a Working Group on Homophobic Bullying. “In order to eliminate homophobic bullying from our schools we need to ensure that LGBT people feel safe to be themselves in schools, whether those LGBT people are teachers, ancillary staff or students shouldn’t matter” concluded Irwin-Gowran.
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# 27 : Wednesday 11-4-2012 @ 15:11
 
 
Someone said :

They may not speak for you but do you realise how much they achieved for you? As someone who was about 18 in 1993 you may not realise how big and how effective a role GLEN played in the campaign to decriminalise homosexual acts. They were effective because they were low key and relied on the power of reasoned persuasion rather than shouting and roaring

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Those who say they are not talking for them are right, but their point is pointless.
GLEN do not claim to speak on your behalf, but to advocate for you.
GLEN would need to be elected, or these poeple would need a member of their (GLEN's) organization for GLEN to speak for these people.

If an organizations that do not "speak for you" were not able to advocate for you, where would we be?

These people can always refuse all the social advances brought by GLEN's advocacy work, and only keep what they have achieved themselves personally, if they think so much of themselves and so little of GLEN...
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# 28 : Wednesday 11-4-2012 @ 20:41
 
 
Someone said :

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Those who say they are not talking for them are right, but their point is pointless.
GLEN do not claim to speak on your behalf, but to advocate for you.
GLEN would need to be elected, or these poeple would need a member of their (GLEN's) organization for GLEN to speak for these people.

If an organizations that do not "speak for you" were not able to advocate for you, where would we be?

These people can always refuse all the social advances brought by GLEN's advocacy work, and only keep what they have achieved themselves personally, if they think so much of themselves and so little of GLEN...

I don't think this is a pointless argument at all. Who exactly decides what GLEN should advocate for and why? does GLEN only speak about specific areas because they are trendy or because they can get lots of funding for them. I don't understand how a group can advocate for something when they never ask those effected by issues what they should be advocating for. Who decided that the focus of GLENs campaign on partnership rights should be civil partnership not marriage? Why was there no consultation on this decision? Who has been advising the gardai on their strategies for almost a decade. Why has there been no public consultation on gardai LGBT community strategy for 7 years?
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# 29 : Thursday 12-4-2012 @ 12:40
 
 
Even GLENs funders have found problems

http://www.atlanticphilanthropies.org/sites/default/files/uploads etc ...

The nature of its role as a policy and strategy organisation, which by definition means interacting with senior people at government level, has contributed to a perception of GLEN as slightly arrogant, somewhat elitist, slightly paternalistic (in terms of knowing what's best for LGB people) and Dublin-centric. It is also viewed by some LGBT organisations as concerned more with gay issues than lesbian issues and also representing older people.

GLEN has not communicated proactively with LGBT organisations and people on its preferred position and approach. While its focus on the centre may partially explain this, there is also a perception by LGBT organisations that GLEN has been reticent to engage and communicate.
Figure 5.4 shows that LGB people are a key constituency for GLEN but its communication is not having the desired impact.

The biggest consequence for GLEN has been confusion about its stance and preferred position among LGB people. In the case of the Civil Partnership Bill it was not clear to other LGB
perspectives that GLEN's preference was for full marriage. This may now have become somewhat academic given that the legislation has passed all stages but it highlights an important issue for
GLEN in the future.

GLEN's model of working means that it risks being perceived by the LGB community as being 'coopted' by the establishment. How can it work as a quasi insider while not being perceived as 'coopted' by its core constituency? What does this mean for how it engages with other LGBT
organisations?

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# 30 : Thursday 12-4-2012 @ 17:19
 
 
I am not saying they are perfect and there are no issues.
I am saying that the fact that they are not a representative organization should not stop them for acting in what has turned out so far to be in our (mostly) best interest.

Were are the "representative" organizations willing to put the same amount of work, or able to?
Also, if the fact that one may feel represented by them only makes them representative to oneself... should lead to them only working for the people that feel represented.. where would we be!

If people do not feel represented, why are they not making their own representation, organizing it as efficiently, and getting to drive change... on behalf of its members and for the benefit of all who benefit from it.
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