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Are Smokers Selfish Ignorant Littering Bastards, Or Free Spirits?
 
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# 16 : Saturday 14-10-2017 @ 13:19
 
 
I think people are a bit more considerate now. Its become nearly antisocial.

I'm off the fags 6 months but still vaping which I will stop when the time is right.

Since I'm off the smokes I do see the disgusting butts everywhere but I used to do it myself when there was no bin around. I never copped how inconsiderate it was or either was in denial.

The smell disgusts me now and I cringe when I think I used to smell like an ashtray. My aftershave lasts longer than a few minutes now
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# 17 : Sunday 15-10-2017 @ 08:52
 
 
They should recycle the butts and charge the smokers to do it and if they don't recycle 10 or 20 they can't buy more.
That would change their habits.
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# 18 : Sunday 15-10-2017 @ 10:22
 
 
Someone said :
They should recycle the butts and charge the smokers to do it and if they don't recycle 10 or 20 they can't buy more.
That would change their habits.

I expect it would just be an incentive for increased cigarette smuggling and informal sales.
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# 19 : Sunday 15-10-2017 @ 10:41
 
 
Smokers get charged enough.
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# 20 : Sunday 15-10-2017 @ 13:12
 
 
Someone said :
I am not a smoker, I have never been, because I value my freedom too much, and also because I am lucky to not be prone to addiction.

Yesterday I saw a disgusting young woman at the bus stop, who felt it was OK to litter: she threw her cigarette butt in the curb drain. Out of sight, out of her fucking mind!

She was oblivious to the passive smoking she was slowly killing us with. We all lost 1h of life because of her. (Some might say she deserves a medal for reducing my life-span. Some people are just thick)
She pretended to ignore that she was polluting a significant amount of water by throwing her non-biodegradable butt in our water treatment system.

She knows she is not suppose to throw it in the street, so she throws it under the street, thinking that it is OK.

This is only one example of how deeply selfish most smokers are.
I am in the process of forming the opinion that most smokers are on average more selfish than the non-smokers. (And to a lesser extent than the reformed smokers, who quit or moved to vaping)
Which means that their selfishness is part of the reason they started smoking in the first place, and kept smoking. Not the main reason, but a substantial contributor.

Are you more pissed off because she was a smoker or because she littered? because it sounds like you are using the fact that she smoked to further demonize her litter habits. I agree that throwing the fag end in the gutter was appalling of her in the same way that people spitting out chewing gum is an appalling habit but your own sense of selfish entitlement is just as bad.

I mean you say "She was oblivious to the passive smoking she was slowly killing us with. We all lost 1h of life because of her." which obviously you weren't oblivious to but instead of standing up wind of her (as you would assume any normal person who was so worried about losing a whole hour of their life would do) you opted instead to stand there and suck in her noxious fumes just so that you could complain about it simply because in your elitist head your existence is more valid than hers and you felt you had more right to be there than she did which is ironic because that's exactly what you are accusing her of but I'm sure you won't see the irony of that because I have no doubt that while you were standing there watching her blow out smoke she probably also grew a couple of horns and a tail

And no they aren't selfish just because their world doesn't revolve around your continued existence, that's up to you to worry about not them.
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# 21 : Sunday 15-10-2017 @ 13:31
 
 
I wouldn't pay too much attention to Blah's stupid rants smurfette.
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# 22 : Sunday 15-10-2017 @ 15:01
 
 
Someone said :
I wouldn't pay too much attention to Blah's stupid rants smurfette.

Sure I've nothing better to be doing on a Sunday, it was either this or mass so one way or another I'd have been listening to the stupid rants of a judgmental "Holier than thou" homosexual

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# 23 : Monday 16-10-2017 @ 07:19
 
 
Someone said :

[...]but instead of standing up wind of her (as you would assume any normal person who was so worried about losing a whole hour of their life would do) you opted instead to stand there and suck in her noxious fumes [..]

Do you know how smoke works?
You can move around as much as you want, it will its way towards you.
Also, I mentioned "us": did you expect me to run around her with a fan and shout to everyone: save yourselves!

In any case, everyone seems to ignore the fact that by selfishness I am not only mentioning smokers being inconsiderate smokers. (Which most of them are, obviously, that is a given)

I am suggesting that smokers, in general, tend to be more selfish people, in life in general. Even when not smoking at that moment. More selfish at work, with their partners, with their children, with family, in the office, in the street, when voting, when recycling (or not), when playing, etc .
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# 24 : Monday 16-10-2017 @ 15:01
 
 
This thread smacks of pure trolling. I’m a smoker but amazingly, I don’t litter or blow my smoke into others’s faces. But according to you I’m utterly selfish.
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# 25 : Monday 16-10-2017 @ 17:17
 
 
Someone said :
This thread smacks of pure trolling. I’m a smoker but amazingly, I don’t litter or blow my smoke into others’s faces. But according to you I’m utterly selfish.

As I suggested, the selfishness does not have to be in the smoking habit itself.
I am suggesting a correlation between selfishness and smoking, that goes beyond smoking etiquette (if such words can even be sincerely combined).

Not being a disgusting littering smoker does not mean that selfishness is absent.

I am seeking testimonials of people who have experienced a number of smokers, and can assess for themselves if they reckon that these people are, all things being equal, more selfish than non-smokers people. (And if quitting has tipped the balance or not)

It is not "trolling" just because you do not like the idea, or because it may apply to you, beyond your control.
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# 26 : Monday 16-10-2017 @ 21:43
 
 
Why are people who have given up smoking so much more anti smoking than non smokers?
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# 27 : Tuesday 17-10-2017 @ 06:33
 
 
Someone said :
Why are people who have given up smoking so much more anti smoking than non smokers?

"Zeal of the new convert" phenomenon. They usually get over it after a while, usually after falling foul to their own cravings. It can be an over compensation mechanism to fight their cravings. Who knows, you'd have to ask them.
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# 28 : Tuesday 17-10-2017 @ 09:34
 
 
Someone said :
Why are people who have given up smoking so much more anti smoking than non smokers?

Can't speak for others but the fact I now require a CPAP machine to be able to breathe at night probably has something to do with it.
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# 29 : Tuesday 17-10-2017 @ 14:59
 
 
Someone said :
Why are people who have given up smoking so much more anti smoking than non smokers?

Because they were in denial before. They always knew how bad it was for them but carried on. Its the lucky few that can just quit cold turkey.
So the reformed ex smokers think about it more. Its a reminder to themselves that they are toxin free every time they see a smoker light up.
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# 30 : Tuesday 17-10-2017 @ 17:44
 
 
I don't like to see cigarette butts on beaches , that's just lazy and there's no excuse for littering anywhere else either .
As for smoking , its an addiction with serious health implications even if you stop .
So stop .
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