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Keep/Repeal The 8th, Referendum?
 
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# 16 : Friday 4-12-2015 @ 21:55
 
 
I know, I hate the thoughts of an unborn not having a chance of life
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# 17 : Friday 4-12-2015 @ 22:30
 
 
Someone said :

You have a point but aren't there a lot of things that people do in this world that they chose to do but still are not right?

Yes but on the other hand there are lots of reasons why it might not be right to bring the child into the world.
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# 18 : Friday 4-12-2015 @ 22:37
 
 
Apart from the baby having life limiting illness what kind of reasons are you thinking of?
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# 19 : Friday 4-12-2015 @ 22:51
 
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I would rather a woman have 20 abortions (which are not something that women take lightly as it is a toll on your body) for whatever reason, up to 25 weeks, than bring one unwanted child into this world. The world is already overpopulated with unwanted children.

There seems to be an idea floating around that women will decide one morning to either have a muffin or an abortion. Repealing the 8th won't take away the already very stringent rules surrounding time allowed between contraception and termination or certification needed from a doctor. It will just mean that a woman will no have to travel to England paying thousands of euros in the process, suffering all the isolation and disrespect incurred to her by our country but instead can attend a prescribed facility in our country and will be able to go home to her loved ones.

FFS, it boggles my mind that it is even up for discussion that rape and incest victims have to continue to feel the violation of those acts for nine months to life because of the morals of others, when she could have the pregnancy terminated at 6 weeks allowing her time to get counselling and get on with her life. We think we're a first world country but we're ok with this?

As the owner of a womb, if I had to suffer a rape (again) and had the shit luck to get pregnant out of it, I would have an abortion as soon as possible, well as soon as I could gather the funds together to go to England, pay for accommodation, food and the operation. If anyone tried to tell me that was the wrong decision because of their morals I don't think I could be held accountable for my actions.
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# 20 : Saturday 5-12-2015 @ 00:14
 
 
Someone said :
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I would rather a woman have 20 abortions (which are not something that women take lightly as it is a toll on your body) for whatever reason, up to 25 weeks, than bring one unwanted child into this world. The world is already overpopulated with unwanted children.

There seems to be an idea floating around that women will decide one morning to either have a muffin or an abortion. Repealing the 8th won't take away the already very stringent rules surrounding time allowed between contraception and termination or certification needed from a doctor. It will just mean that a woman will no have to travel to England paying thousands of euros in the process, suffering all the isolation and disrespect incurred to her by our country but instead can attend a prescribed facility in our country and will be able to go home to her loved ones.

FFS, it boggles my mind that it is even up for discussion that rape and incest victims have to continue to feel the violation of those acts for nine months to life because of the morals of others, when she could have the pregnancy terminated at 6 weeks allowing her time to get counselling and get on with her life. We think we're a first world country but we're ok with this?

As the owner of a womb, if I had to suffer a rape (again) and had the shit luck to get pregnant out of it, I would have an abortion as soon as possible, well as soon as I could gather the funds together to go to England, pay for accommodation, food and the operation. If anyone tried to tell me that was the wrong decision because of their morals I don't think I could be held accountable for my actions.

Well,imagine that,a woman who won't bow down to the ignorant selfishness of others,who won't be a breeder for those who want to control her ovaries with rosaries. People who are anti choice have no interest in facing facts, in facing what those unfortunates who need what nature often provides,abortion. It displays a lack of compassion and empathy and a closed mind,not good enough,especially those who care only for the unborn,and not one iota for those who are born into poverty and degredation.
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# 21 : Saturday 5-12-2015 @ 03:05
 
 
Someone said :
Apart from the baby having life limiting illness what kind of reasons are you thinking of?

That you might not be able to look after them properly because you're far too young or poor. That if you're a single mom in Dublin who may need to rely on welfare to keep the bills paid. You may even end up living with your children in a hotel room. Maybe you don't even like kids. Maybe you're a drug addict wh shouldn't be bringing a child into the world.

There are thousands of reasons and to be honest I trust women to make the choice themselves. And you should too.
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# 22 : Saturday 5-12-2015 @ 05:27
 
 
Another issue not discussed enough is the mothers health - not just her life. If the pregnancy will leave her severely handicapped or blind (I heard of a case of the latter) then I think she should have the right to an abortion. The status quo reflects in part the fact that 86% of the Oireacthas are male and their health isn't threatened by it. The 51% of the electorate who are female have a decision to make as to whether voting for so few women is really helpful to their cause.
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# 23 : Saturday 5-12-2015 @ 05:35
 
 
The 8th Amendment dates from 1983 - 32 years or just over a generation ago. Ireland has changed utterly in the intervening 3 decades. There has since been the X case, the dreadful case of Savita Halanappavar and other cases. Why sould those diagnosed with a fatal Fetal abnormality have to travel to England to procure an abortion?

Time for Ireland to grow up and have a calm, collected discussion on the issues around abortion as opposed to mud slinging from the pro-life and pro-choice camps. We badly need a new referendum and one soon.


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# 24 : Saturday 5-12-2015 @ 05:42
 
 
You'll get some, that'll say Euthanasia will be next if this is allowed?
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# 25 : Saturday 5-12-2015 @ 06:01
 
 
Well said, Ery. I concur with your sentiments.

Anyone who thinks that a rape victim that get pregnant as a result of the rape should be forced to be carry their baby to term is a barbarian of the highest order. Somehow alas I don't think the current govt have the balls to hold a referendum.
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# 26 : Saturday 5-12-2015 @ 10:27
 
 
Someone said :
You'll get some, that'll say Euthanasia will be next if this is allowed?

I wouldn't have a problem with euthanasia either. Within limits.
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# 27 : Saturday 5-12-2015 @ 11:31
 
 
Someone said :
You'll get some, that'll say Euthanasia will be next if this is allowed?

You had some who said if gay marriage was allowed then marrying your dog would be next.
These are two completely different topics for discussion.
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# 28 : Saturday 5-12-2015 @ 11:42
 
 
Someone said :
You'll get some, that'll say Euthanasia will be next if this is allowed?

Who actually said this? What actual leading Irish social anthropologist said this? Did we have euthanasia before the 8th amendment? How are euthanasia and repealing a draconian law which still doesn't make abortion legal linked?
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# 29 : Saturday 5-12-2015 @ 17:13
 
 
Someone said :
Apart from the baby having life limiting illness what kind of reasons are you thinking of?

Poverty, violence, illness, health, homelessness - lots and lots of reasons.
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# 30 : Saturday 5-12-2015 @ 17:50
 
 
Too young, too old, in college, family finished, terminally ill, inherited diseases and conditions, rape, father not in the picture, family too big, don't want a baby, multiple foetuses.. ect
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