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An Openly Gay Man Is The Next Leader Of Ireland
 
# 61 : Monday 19-6-2017 @ 14:59
 
 
I'll stick to LGBT. Adding on more letters seems redundant. Q for Queer ... seriously?
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# 62 : Monday 19-6-2017 @ 15:00
 
 
Someone said :

HIV positive. Its an American term mainly.

I see. Thanks for the info. Didn't know that.
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# 63 : Monday 19-6-2017 @ 15:05
 
 
I think Q is for Questioning .
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# 64 : Monday 19-6-2017 @ 15:06
 
 
It's getting pretty fucking ridiculous at this stage. Just go with "not straight" and that should cover everyone.
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# 65 : Monday 19-6-2017 @ 20:12
 
 
Someone said :
It's getting pretty fucking ridiculous at this stage. Just go with "not straight" and that should cover everyone.

Seems reasonable
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# 66 : Monday 19-6-2017 @ 20:21
 
 
Someone said :
It's getting pretty fucking ridiculous at this stage. Just go with "not straight" and that should cover everyone.

Not quite, as you have the g0ys and MSM (Men who have sex with men but consider themselves straight [SMSM])
And with not straight you care not covering the straight, and you are also exclusively focusing on sexuality, to the exclusion of gender (which the "T" embodies the most): a good chunk of transsexual/transgender people see themselves as straight (or desiring to transition to a gender that will identify them as such).

It is a very straight-centric vision .
It does not mean that I agree with the multiplication of labels/letters. Or that I oppose it.
Thus the advantage of the term "queer" (maybe too american) or "gay community" (maybe too male-oriented). But again not all will recognize themselves under such an umbrella term. I have little to no preference and I can understand the dilemma of people who have to create an inclusive "identity" for their organization, publication, group, etc.

Mind you, there will always be people who do not recognize themselves under an umbrella term any way. Labels are mostly useful when facing a threat, and are defined by that threat. When the threat is gone, it is mostly intellectual onanism.


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# 67 : Monday 19-6-2017 @ 21:21
 
 
Someone said :
It's getting pretty fucking ridiculous at this stage. Just go with "not straight" and that should cover everyone.

Really?

So straight people get an identity and we are to be defined on the basis of not being them?

Fuck that shit.

This isn't taxing, it tacks no effort. If people want to add letters that they feel represent them then fair fucks to them. Why on earth would I give a shit?

Seriously... I don't get why this bothers people so much.
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# 68 : Monday 19-6-2017 @ 23:46
 
 
I think LGBT can cover the additional terms without adding letters to it. Especially as the bonus round letters seem to mean different things depending on who you ask.


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# 69 : Tuesday 20-6-2017 @ 00:27
 
 
Its fascinating how we've gone from leo to letters.

I think this discussion will never go away. In the last few years I have seen lgbt, lgbt+, lgbti, lgbtq, lgbtqi, lgbtqai, lgbttiqq2s and of course the tongue in cheek quiltbagpipe. (Queer/Questioning, undecided, intersex, lesbian, trans, bi, asexual, gay, pansexual, indeterminate, polysexual, everyone else not included)

Human Rights campaigners talk about SOGI - Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity.

I have mixed feelings on the ever expanding letters. On the one hand I think yeah sure be inclusive. On the other I do think being inclusive can overdilute (in the sense that for example I (intersex) is now fairly mainstream but honestly how many organisations do work on intersex issues) and also I find it odd that people then group identify themselves for example: "I am lgbt".

I prefer the SOGI terminology or perhaps even something like Sex and Gender minorities.


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# 70 : Tuesday 20-6-2017 @ 01:00
 
 
Ooh LGBT+ is a neat solution to this conundrum I think. SOGI may well be the term we transition to in years to come.
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# 71 : Tuesday 20-6-2017 @ 01:16
 
 
Someone said :
Ooh LGBT+ is a neat solution to this conundrum I think. SOGI may well be the term we transition to in years to come.

Yeah in theory lgbt+ sounds good. In practice it causes lots of rows.
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# 72 : Tuesday 20-6-2017 @ 16:40
 
 
Hey, you're gone way off track. Let's enjoy Leo.
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# 73 : Tuesday 20-6-2017 @ 20:51
 
 
Someone said :
Hey, you're gone way off track. Let's enjoy Leo.


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# 74 : Tuesday 20-6-2017 @ 22:19
 
 
Still, the possibility that Panti might be justified in opening the post-parade festivities with the greeting A Thaoiseach agus a daoine uasal ... so long as she insists he shimmies Love Actually style across the stage.
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# 75 : Tuesday 20-6-2017 @ 23:32
 
 
SOGI just sounds as silly as a damp nappy, LGBT+ sounds adequate, no need for all these blathering bloated acronyms that sound like they were conceived by a committee of idiots.
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