shemales and ladyboys are neither TS or TG
That's not nessarily true Kazzie...
but the point of that thread though was taking issue with a term/terms that were not politically empowering...think you missed what was going on there...

I was just saying that you can't just make an assumption about Dora based on her pictures.....

But it's not an assumption it's based on fact, OK TS have a saying right, it's that if there were 50 TV/CD and 50 TS/TG in a room you'd be able to tell them apart by the fact that the TS/TG would be all the ones wearing trousers ie TS don't dress for sexual pleasure and I'm sorry but Dora does. I in no way meant to be bad to the girl and I wish I'd have kept it to myself now.

But I think Dora doesn't only dress for sexual pleasure is my point..or at least, how do we know??

maybe she is just posting kinky pics online like many other straights, gays, bis, couples, etc who have ads in the classifieds...

get me?

"But you all did it, you all sat there and had a row about whether as a "Shemale" (Her word not mine) she's TV or TG or TS and for the record you's were all wrong from the start she says hi im a shemale or to put it simply a ladyboy... do irish people know what we are.. shemales and ladyboys are neither TS or TG"

Maybe you would like to go back and actually read my posts this time - at no point in any of my posts did i attempt to define or categorise dora in any particular role or orientation, and (in the off chance that you actually read the stuff that you write yourself) it was you who assigned roles by presenting the opinion that it was fetishistic rather than transgender or transsexual.

As i already stated, she never explicitly stated herself to be a TV/CD, TG or TS, and that i felt that it was unjustified to make suppositions based upon your own judgements of her photos. So your argument to date, is weak tea as far as i'm concerned.

Supplementary to your "argument" you very clearly took exception to someone pointing out the flaws in your logic and discussion - an argument over my picking out "some small detail" that i "can blow out of all proportion just so (I) ca put across the impression that (I) have high moral values." I dont suppose it helps if i point out that this small detail was the crux of your argument and upon which your entire post was hinged, and if you dont much like having your so-called arguments debated like an adult, then perhaps you shouldn't express them in a public forum intended for discussion and debate.

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"But it's not an assumption it's based on fact, OK TS have a saying right, it's that if there were 50 TV/CD and 50 TS/TG in a room you'd be able to tell them apart by the fact that the TS/TG would be all the ones wearing trousers ie TS don't dress for sexual pleasure and I'm sorry but Dora does. I in no way meant to be bad to the girl and I wish I'd have kept it to myself now."

Sounds like you're trying to stand up your argument on a generalisation. I daresay there are TS/TG individuals who would dress as much for pleasure as for gender identity. If there was no pleasure to be derived from looking good and feeling confident in one's looks, then the fashion and cosmetic industry wouldn't be the multimillion dollar/euro industries that they are today.

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