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British Or Welsh, Scottish And English
 
# 1 : Monday 4-8-2008 @ 21:30
 
 
For those who believe that nationality is important, the drop-down menu regarding nationality does not include mine i.e., Welsh. This is not just on Gaire I might add. BRITISH should fall into three categories. WELSH, SCOTTISH and ENGLISH. Britain is merely an island that happens to have three different multi-cultural nations who inhabit it.

Wales, you might be forgiven for thinking, is the land fated to be ignored. Here in Dublin, despite my obvious Welsh accent, I am often asked what part of England I'm from. But, usually, I get; Wales? I love the Welch.

Alone among the island of Britain's nations, Wales doesn't even feature on the Union Jack. Stalin had a habit of removing his enemies from group photographs; by not including Wales on the flag, England, in a metaphoric gesture, removed Wales completely from the map! A few years ago, a bureaucratic blunder left Wales off a map of Europe on the cover of a prestigious EU reference book. The statistics that were requested for the reference book came from Westminster! This is institutional racism on a very grand scale indeed!

So, personally, nationality is important to me as a Welshman. Some time ago, I belonged to a band of brothers and sisters who campaigned vigorously for independence for Wales using direct and indirect non-violent action against Westminster. No, we didn't gain independence, but the Welsh language is now compulsory in schools; more and more people speak Welsh and are not ashamed to use it. Wales now has a Welsh Assembly Government whose powers of self-government within Europe move ever closer. Thanks to Ireland and its success in having Gaeilge recognised as an official language in Europe, Welsh too will soon be recognised as an official language within Europe.

Yours, a proud Welshman, a fellow Celt who is very proud to be living in Ireland - a free state!

Are we Celts? Another topic I think!!!
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# 2 : Monday 4-8-2008 @ 21:33
 
 
No offence but is Wales not a principality?
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# 3 : Monday 4-8-2008 @ 21:35
 
 
Yes, Wales is a principality... (puppet / token title) but we are still a Celtic nation...
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# 4 : Monday 4-8-2008 @ 21:47
 
 
I love how the Welsh say the word Serious - Well proper Valley Welsh any.

It would keep me amused for hours.
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# 5 : Monday 4-8-2008 @ 21:49
 
 
Is Wales in the United Nations? Have a constitution? Is it sovereign perchance? or is it just what I thought a administrative division of the United Kingdom? I'm guessing the latter.



Someone said :
Yes, Wales is a principality... (puppet / token title) but we are still a Celtic nation...

like Cornwall?
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# 6 : Monday 4-8-2008 @ 22:03
 
 
welsh and scottish folk are fierce proud of their nationality and hate to be called english - british is barely tolerable but never english....

ps shaggy

love the valley speak
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# 7 : Monday 4-8-2008 @ 22:08
 
 
Yes Elat, you are right - but things might have been different... We almost (yes, almost) got independence in the early part of the 20th century. Had we succeeded we would have been part of the United Nations, had our own constitution (based primarily on the English Constitution - on which Ireland's Constitution today is also based. There was a movement in the late 19th century called Cymru Fydd (Future Wales). The Cymru Fydd movement was founded in 1886 by the likes of J. E. Lloyd, O. M. Edwards, T. E. Ellis, Beriah Gwynfe Evans and Alfred Thomas. Its main objective was to gain self-government for Wales. The movement lost its impetus following the withdrawal of T. E. Ellis to join the Government in 1892 and after Lloyd George failed to unite Cymru Fydd with other Welsh Liberal Associations in 1896.

Later, Ireland gained independence, hallelujah! Wales - regrettably, didn't.

Cornwall is a 'duchy' or Dukedom... The 'Prince of Wales' is also the Duke of Cornwall...
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# 8 : Monday 4-8-2008 @ 22:09
 
 
and i prefer the welsh and scottish money to the english
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# 9 : Monday 4-8-2008 @ 22:11
 
 
Describing a person as Welsh is simply a matter of respect ( that is, of course, provided they are Welsh ! ).
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# 10 : Monday 4-8-2008 @ 22:12
 
 
It's all fine and well to say you are Welsh...but just like people in NI, your nationality is British. That's inescapable (sadly ). Culturally/territorially you might be Welsh but at the end of the day you hold a British passport.

Can you imagine how messy it would get if all 'national identites' -either real or imagined - were accounted for on such drop down menus?
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# 11 : Monday 4-8-2008 @ 22:19
 
 
Someone said :
It's all fine and well to say you are Welsh...but just like people in NI, your nationality is British. That's inescapable (sadly ). Culturally/territorially you might be Welsh but at the end of the day you hold a British passport.

Can you imagine how messy it would get if all 'national identites' -either real or imagined - were accounted for on such drop down menus?

Yes, the people would take to the streets, the Dáil would go into emergency session and Dick Roche would say it was all because we rejected the Lisbon treaty !
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# 12 : Monday 4-8-2008 @ 22:19
 
 
Wales is not an independent nation although it may be a nation.
Your passport would be British.
Many other people have with strong collective identities and there is no end to how much you could subdivide people- the yardstick is usually a passport.
Texans are Americans, Tibetans are Chinese, Bretons are French, the Sikhs are Indian and people from Tuam are Irish.
Deal with your Britishness.
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# 13 : Monday 4-8-2008 @ 22:26
 
 
OK... So the Irish name Breathneach, for instance is Anglicised to Walsh or Welsh... Breathneach means Welshman or British person... i.e., real Brits before the Angles and Saxons arrived on the island of Britain... So, yes... if we are going to use semantics, then yes, I am British afterall, the original one... But Welsh I am above all... But that's another topic I think!
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# 14 : Monday 4-8-2008 @ 22:43
 
 
Having lived in Bristol for many years just over the severn from wales i always found the people more friendly.Maybe it was because i have an Irish accent but i like to think they are nicer.I have always thought of Wales and Scotland as being seperate nationalities.When someone says brits its english i think of.Wales like scotland and Kernow(cornwall)along with brittany are all celtic places.I read the lords prayer in a church in scotland and it was in all the languages from those countries and similarities are amazing,So, Tidy, Occ Aye, Fáilte,Bien
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# 15 : Monday 4-8-2008 @ 22:47
 
 
Ive noticed alot of Welshmen are actually quite attractive. Im thinking at the mo of the guy from the stereophonics and steve jones of T4. Is there alot darkhaired, dark eyed people with pale skin in Wales compared to Ireland?
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