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32000 Non Nationals Receiving State Rent Support
 
# 1 : Wednesday 29-7-2009 @ 02:37
 
 
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I'm probably going to get slated for this,but we simply cannot afford to
continue with the present system.


By Senan Molony Deputy Political Editor

Tuesday July 28 2009

THE number of people receiving State rent support has jumped by nearly a quarter in just six months -- with one-third of claimants foreign nationals.

New figures supplied to the Irish Independent show that the recession has caused a huge increase in the numbers unable to meet housing costs on their own.

At the end of last year, just over 74,000 people were in receipt of rent supplement from the State. Now the figure has jumped by 23pc and stands at a record 91,000, the Department of Social Welfare confirmed yesterday.

Recent figures, compiled when there were 89,000 claimants, show that 32,000 -- more than one third -- are non-nationals.

They show 7,638 Poles, 2,886 Nigerians, 2,108 Lithuanians, 1,512 Romanians and 1,318 Latvians among the highest categories of non-nationals being paid the benefit. People from 163 countries and territories, excluding Ireland, get the rent supplement.

A Dail committee will today discuss the problems of poverty-stricken households living in private rented accommodation -- with the Government having slashed the maximum rent support payable since the beginning of June.

Social Affairs Minister Mary Hanafin has told tenants who had to take an 8pc reduction in their support to negotiate lower rent with their landlord. She pointed out that rents have fallen by 11pc in the last year, and by more in cities.

State spending on the scheme was over €440m during 2008. The department yesterday said that an estimated €490m will be spent on rent supplement this year, or an average of €500 per claimant.

The department said : "Rent supplement is now restricted to individuals who have held an existing tenancy for six months or who are in homeless accommodation, or who have a local authority assessment which indicates that they are eligible.

Needs

"All other claimants must have been placed on a housing list following a full needs assessment by the local authority before they are eligible."

The department accepted that tenants may be contractually obliged to pay the rent agreed to in their lease, even though their support payments have been cut by 8pc.

But it added: "It is expected that landlords will decrease the rent in recognition of the fact that rents have fallen generally and that there are now a large number of vacant rental properties nationally."

Recent data from the CSO shows that rents in the private sector have fallen by almost 20pc in the past year. A leading property website reported recently that rents had fallen by almost 16pc in the 12 months to March 2009, with falls of 10pc in Galway, 15pc in Cork and 12pc-18pc in Dublin.

- Senan Molony Deputy Political Editor

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# 2 : Wednesday 29-7-2009 @ 03:14
 
 
Whatever about non-EU nationals, EU citizens have a right to live anywhere in the Union they wish, don't they?
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# 3 : Wednesday 29-7-2009 @ 03:17
 
 
BOB owns a small production factory with 8 employees.As the irish and world economies
are thriving he can't keep up with production.Bob advertises for the hiring of more employees.He and his employees now numbered at 40 are kept very during the boom years.Every one is on a good wage and are very happy.As the recession takes hold bob see's his order sheet getting smaller by the day.He keeps his full work force hopeing the orders will improve.As time goes by the orders continue to drindle and bob is forced to make some very harsh moves.He issues all his employees with p45 and negotiates redundancy terms with them.He keeps afew employees and the rest are made redundant.If bob didn't make this critical decision he would have been faced with immunent bankruptcy...That is life in a recession....

Now take our country and government, we are presently in the same position as bob.
We are spending more money then we take in every week.We have 32000.00 non nationals accepting state housing relief that we can ill afford.I'm sure they are also getting many other forms of relief from the government.As bob had no option but to make his employees redundent so to has the government got to make major decisions.Like bob if we continue to make these payments we also will be facing bankruptcy.Offer each non national a sum of money and a flight back to his home country.with the deal that they cannot come back for another three years.This can be there redundancy money,but it will work out a whole lot cheaper for ireland in the long run.we simply cannot afford to continue as we are in the present.
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# 4 : Wednesday 29-7-2009 @ 03:22
 
 
yes, but i'm just saying that i believe under eu legislation, an eu citizen can live and work anywhere in the union. maybe i'm wrong....i know there have been restrictions in some countries on some eastern european countries...so not sure.

that's why i think the eu legislation needs to be tweaked and a member state should have the right to cap numbers at a certain level if it sees fit.
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# 5 : Wednesday 29-7-2009 @ 03:25
 
 
We are also paying benifits to nationalists from 163 other countries outside the union
we are paying benifits to 2886 nigerians,who last time i checked were not in the
european union...15 years ago duffy meats brought in workers from brazil for his processing factories in gort.In fairness the brazilians worked hard and blended into the communuty well.Two years ago duffys closed shop and all the brazilians were made unemployed.They survived by working in the black economy doing work for farmers and builders.All this work has ceased now.Recently most of the brazilians took the government up on an offer of repattriasm,wheras the government payed their flight home and gave them a minimun amount of euros to leave the country .The state is now saving having to give these workers benifits it can ill afford.This policy should be rolled out across the country.It may seem like a harsh decision but we are facing some very hard times and must take some very difficult action.

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# 6 : Wednesday 29-7-2009 @ 03:34
 
 
What do you suggest we do? Throw them out on the street? Expel them from the country?
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# 7 : Wednesday 29-7-2009 @ 03:41
 
 
we offer them money and request that they leave the state for a minimun of three years.
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# 8 : Wednesday 29-7-2009 @ 10:05
 
 
THese people paid in their contributions. They are ENTITLED to this money.
If you are a foreign national (non national is the most ridiculous term ever) you have to have worked FULL TIME for TWO YEARS in order to claim jobseekers.
It's our fucking contributions to taxes that have helped fund the state here too don't forget!
SUCK IT UP!
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# 9 : Wednesday 29-7-2009 @ 10:06
 
 
Can someone tell me why, with what has been termed the largest single property portfolio in the world about to come into the hands of the government why would they continue to subsidise private landlordism? This is the bigger question here. Not the nationality of the claimants. Those taxpayers of us that don't happen to be landlords are paying double here! To take the land banks and developments off the developers, leave them idle and then pay yet another sickly slew of private rackrenters and slumlords to house welfare tenants. This is the real scandal and yet another example of FF riding the country's coffers rotten to placatate the landlord class.
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# 10 : Wednesday 29-7-2009 @ 11:02
 
 
Someone said :
THese people paid in their contributions. They are ENTITLED to this money.
If you are a foreign national (non national is the most ridiculous term ever) you have to have worked FULL TIME for TWO YEARS in order to claim jobseekers.
It's our fucking contributions to taxes that have helped fund the state here too don't forget!
SUCK IT UP!

The state is hitting the wall.
That was then and this is now,
Many of these non nationals may just take the state up on this offer, as was the case
with the brazilians in gort.When an industry hits the wall all bets are off with employees and they take whatever settlement is on offer.The sooner we start to treat
the states coffers as a business that is suffering from overspending and bad decisions the better.We simply can't continue to give out money that we dont have.
So lads here is whats on offer,thanks for all your help and hopefully we will see you back whan things improve.
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# 11 : Wednesday 29-7-2009 @ 11:23
 
 
Someone said :
THese people paid in their contributions. They are ENTITLED to this money.
If you are a foreign national (non national is the most ridiculous term ever) you have to have worked FULL TIME for TWO YEARS in order to claim jobseekers.
It's our fucking contributions to taxes that have helped fund the state here too don't forget!
SUCK IT UP!

Absolutely if people HAVE paid their two years contributions they are entitled to claim. If they have not? Bye bye!!
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# 12 : Wednesday 29-7-2009 @ 13:01
 
 
Why is Ireland taking two detainee's from Guantanimo bay ?????
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# 13 : Wednesday 29-7-2009 @ 13:21
 
 
Someone said :
Why is Ireland taking two detainee's from Guantanimo bay ?????

How dare you question the government on how our tax money is spent,
As if you'r going to get an answer from them. That only works in other peoples democracy's.....Tut Tut..
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# 14 : Wednesday 29-7-2009 @ 13:41
 
 
NO seriously why ???

Are they still "suspects" of something?
If so why are they coming here to be re-homed?
If not then why aren't they going back home to the families they were taken from ?
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# 15 : Wednesday 29-7-2009 @ 13:45
 
 
Someone said :
Can someone tell me why, with what has been termed the largest single property portfolio in the world about to come into the hands of the government why would they continue to subsidise private landlordism? This is the bigger question here. Not the nationality of the claimants. Those taxpayers of us that don't happen to be landlords are paying double here! To take the land banks and developments off the developers, leave them idle and then pay yet another sickly slew of private rackrenters and slumlords to house welfare tenants. This is the real scandal and yet another example of FF riding the country's coffers rotten to placatate the landlord class.

How are private landlords subsidised? ........ Do you expect landlords to rent their property for free? Rent has dropped drastically over the last year, and the social welfare rental contribution (a subsidy for tennants and not landlords!!)has dropped three times from last November, who do you think has taken the hit?... the tennants are broke, so who is taking the hit? The plot thickens in the game of blame...
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