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Lord Mountbatten....
 
# 1 : Tuesday 18-8-2009 @ 13:27
 
 
The anniversary of Lord Mountbatten came about this weekend. Obviously, still a bit of a sensitive subject, but one that I have often wondered about.

The IRA saw Mountbatten as a legitimate target during the troubles, Mountbatten himself was aware of this, and in fact decided to holiday off the coast of a very republican sympathetic area (to say the VERY least).

Obviously, the bombing was again, an act of complete lack of regard for human life on the part of the IRA, so there is no need for Gaireans to post about the wrong or rights of the crime.... we already know!

Personally I think that Lord Mountbatten was being arrogant in his assumption that he could holiday among the republicans and it has been suggested that he knew the dangers. Does a zoo keeper eat with the lions?..... even if he does own the zoo?

Personally, given the situation, I'd have picked somewhere else to holiday.

What do you think? Arrogance or stupidity?

The anniversary of his death is actually the 27th August, and not this week as I previously thought.

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# 2 : Tuesday 18-8-2009 @ 14:07
 
 
difficult one.it does take arrogance to holiday with the enemy, but maybe he was over confident about human nature
maybe its better to think of humanity as the peculiar animal
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# 3 : Tuesday 18-8-2009 @ 14:32
 
 
Personally I think that Lord Mountbatton was being arrogant in his assumption that he could holiday among the republicans

He had hollidayed there for years, so i dont think he was being arrogant.
His murder was one of the main acts that turned the country against the IRA, lets not pretend that Sligo or anywhere else was swarming with republicans at the time because it was not. Yes you have hardline republicans all over the country but they were few and far between.

He was an old man fishing with family and friends, he should have had nothing to worry about, there was no arrogance involved.
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# 4 : Tuesday 18-8-2009 @ 14:38
 
 
People seem to forget it was not just Mountbatten who was killed.
Four innocent people died on that day including a child.

Mountbatten, his grandson Nicholas, Lady Brabourne and Paul Maxwell.

http://www.sligoheritage.com/archmbatten.htm
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# 5 : Tuesday 18-8-2009 @ 15:15
 
 
Someone said :

He had hollidayed there for years

Thats correct. Thats why he was such an easy target!

lets not pretend that Sligo or anywhere else was swarming with republicans at the time because it was not. Yes you have hardline republicans all over the country but they were few and far between.

Did you grow up in London or somewhere?!! I dont know about Sligo, I remember Mountbatton being murdered and the celebrations at the time!(it was unbelievable!)I also remember IRA meetings and 'festivals' designed to fund the IRA in the area where I grew up (Wicklow and Wexford), they werent few and far between to my recollection Loosey.

He was an old man fishing with family and friends, he should have had nothing to worry about, there was no arrogance involved

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Of course he was an old man, and retired!, but given his link to the Royal family and his career, and the warnings he was given. Dont you think, given the very nature of the 'war' (as believed by the perpetrators), that he was irresponsible, even if you take into account the child in his care?

I think it is well and good to be moralistic here, but if I had inside information that I was considered a legitimate target in this area, I would not have been there (regardless of how 'morally wrong' or disempowering that was), and I certainly would not have been there with people who may not have been aware of this or a child. Dont you think that was a bit of a risk? Given the low levels of terrorism that the IRA were known for!
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# 6 : Tuesday 18-8-2009 @ 16:06
 
 

Did you grow up in London or somewhere?!! I dont know about Sligo, I remember Mountbatton being murdered and the celebrations at the time!

im origionally from an area close to mullaghmore,, i know a lot of people from there.. just ordinary decent people who were and still are appauled with what happened there.. the i. r. a at the time made a big deal about the fact that mountbatten survived burma, etc, etc but that that he didnt survive the might of the i. r. a....[the brave i.r.a] he was an old man on holiday, well liked in the area... why shouldnt he have had the right to holiday anywhere he wanted... in thoose years there was a judge gibson who used to holiday in the north west aswell.. but he was killed in a car bomb in crossmaglen coming back from a foreign holiday... i resent the term "republican stronghold" donegal / sligo were no more or no less republican than anywhere else in the country, given their close proximity to the six counties... the i.r.a like othe r paramilitary groups north and south of the border were nothing better than animals,, just murdering thugs......
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# 7 : Tuesday 18-8-2009 @ 16:11
 
 
I think it is well and good to be moralistic here, but if I had inside information that I was considered a legitimate target in this area, I would not have been there (regardless of how 'morally wrong' or disempowering that was), and I certainly would not have been there with people who may not have been aware of this or a child. Dont you think that was a bit of a risk?

About the same amount of risk that a woman runs of being raped when she walks down a dark street at night on her own, or a gay man runs of being queer-bashed coming out of the side entrance of the George at 2am with a few drinks on him.
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# 8 : Tuesday 18-8-2009 @ 16:14
 
 
Someone said :
im origionally from an area close to mullaghmore,, i know a lot of people from there.. just ordinary decent people who were and still are appauled with what happened there.. the i. r. a at the time made a big deal about the fact that mountbatten survived burma, etc, etc but that that he didnt survive the might of the i. r. a....[the brave i.r.a] he was an old man on holiday, well liked in the area... why shouldnt he have had the right to holiday anywhere he wanted... in thoose years there was a judge gibson who used to holiday in the north west aswell.. but he was killed in a car bomb in crossmaglen coming back from a foreign holiday... i resent the term "republican stronghold" donegal / sligo were no more or no less republican than anywhere else in the country, given their close proximity to the six counties... the i.r.a like othe r paramilitary groups north and south of the border were nothing better than animals,, just murdering thugs......

I am not talking about the 'morals' or 'rights' of it all! I have stated that in the original post, so what is your point? We know that the man had every right to holiday and live out his retirement! This isnt disputed in this thread.

My question was, given his link to the Royal family, his career (he wasn't an office clerk!), and the warnings he had been issued. Do you think he was arrogant, not to take the above into account, especially while holidaying with others. I would not give a damn how much I liked a place, if I was told I was putting my sons' (I know it was his grandson) life into danger, I would not be there.... end of. Yet despite being deemed a 'legitimate target', he chose to be there.
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# 9 : Tuesday 18-8-2009 @ 16:19
 
 
Maybe he didn't think it would happen to him.
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# 10 : Tuesday 18-8-2009 @ 16:25
 
 
The 1979 Mountbatten attack was a turning point for the Provisional IRA in that it turned many people in the Republic who might have sympathised with the IRA to a certain extent very much against them and their twisted "cause." It was a despicable and callous act and resulted in the death of a child. The local commubnity in Sligo were very vocal in their condemnation of this attack.

The same week, the IRA launched a massive attack on a bus full of British troops on the A2 near Warrenpoint, Co. Down. Many were killed. It was a very low point in the Troubles.
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# 11 : Tuesday 18-8-2009 @ 16:29
 
 
Yet despite being deemed a 'legitimate target', he chose to be there.

C'mon Skyline - out with it: it was his own fault he was murdered, wasn't it? You can tell us.
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# 12 : Tuesday 18-8-2009 @ 16:34
 
 
Someone said :

About the same amount of risk that a woman runs of being raped when she walks down a dark street at night on her own, or a gay man runs of being queer-bashed coming out of the side entrance of the George at 2am with a few drinks on him.

How so?

How many women walk down a dark street at night, and how many predators are in the area?
How many gay men are at the side entrance of the George at 2am and how many queer bashers are in the area?
How many high profile figures, holiday off the coast of sligo (by the way, although it may have been unknown to him at the time, he was actually only 12 miles from an IRA refuge that was used to hide members!)like a sitting duck, and relevent would his death have been to blood thirsty maniacs who had no regard for life? I really see no comparison here Parker.
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# 13 : Tuesday 18-8-2009 @ 16:38
 
 
Someone said :

C'mon Skyline - out with it: it was his own fault he was murdered, wasn't it? You can tell us.

Parker, I resent the fact that you are trying to imply that I condone murder or support the IRA. I have always catagorically stated that I support neither. So if you want to debate, I will debate. But dont get pathetic.
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# 14 : Tuesday 18-8-2009 @ 16:41
 
 
You're implying strongly that it was Mountbatten's own fault because he chose to moor his yacht in what you see as a risky location. I'm just wondering if you believe that it's also the victim's fault in other circumstances.
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# 15 : Tuesday 18-8-2009 @ 16:57
 
 
Someone said :
You're implying strongly that it was Mountbatten's own fault because he chose to moor his yacht in what you see as a risky location. I'm just wondering if you believe that it's also the victim's fault in other circumstances.

Where have I said/implied that it was his own fault? I am questioning why he chose to be there, given the risk that he was aware of. At the time the IRA were considered extremely unpredictable.... If you warned me that there was a 'strong possibility' that there was going to be violence at a gay march, do you think I would even think twice about having my son present? I would act on your information as a 'posibility'. Thats why I ask was Lord Mountbatten being arrogant, or as Trep says, did he not believe it would happen to him?... but being considered a legitimate target would be enough for me! (personally)
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