i agree i just think its a shame that some of the things that have value et lost or lose that value. i'm not supporting old ideas and norms some things time has best forgot i just lament what wa probably a myth anyway. and perhaps am oldfashined?!

I don't think so, I think maybe because we are living longer generally as a species people don't feel as obligated to conform the way they once did.

people never conformed are you nuts!
populations were smaller.social control was easier. communtication was weaker. people more dispers. there is no basis to assume people conformed more in the past there is just less publicity.

This is what I am looking for, this research of which you speak. So far I have seen nothing but your opinion that humans have become disconnected with each other, because of modern media.
My opinion, and it is only my opinion, is not the same as yours (quite obviously) people have not changed that much through history, some people have been assholes, they have had friends, they have been loners, they have been sluts, they have all been individuals.
Perhaps I have been sullied, I have been sullied by having a fantastic relationship, I have been sullied by having great friend, I have been sullied by having intelligent children who have no interest in the "pop culture". But I don't see this disconnections.
There I say "pop culture" there was "pop culture" and the strive to have those things fresh and new throughout the centuries, what makes this one different? In my opinion, what makes this one different is that we are living in this one now and view it in the moment and not reflectively.

in fact people were quicker in the past to encourage change and not conform becaue it was so oppressive. what about the feminist movemnt, the contraceptive trains, the civil rights movement, larkin?

arguably social control is more subversive and diffuse and reaches further now due to tech. infact survuelence is everywhere in the right climate tis could promote change, revolt, reform what ver. a tad off the point...sorry

What?
None of those were quick movements, they were all slow, took years of blood sweat and tears and some like the civil rights have yet to be completed.

sure they did grow up, get a job, get married, have a family, retire and maybe die at some point.
People are living longer, marriage is no longer "for life". people are falling in love for the first time in their 50's now and growing up in their 30's

Tinglz, this is all relevant to the time and space we live in of course people grow up, grow old and die. it's kind ofnot a choice i ref to free will and radicalism.
erythesis:, i'm not clear exactly what your last point ment? but yes of course they were slow processes but slow processess initiated by more (in terms of numbers) and more willing individuals. the vast mount of radical change has occured in history not in the present day and things will continue to stagnate.

popular culture is obviously relative and i think we are applying some reflexivity to the topic, actually i think its the subjective reflexivity thats stirring the debat, erythesis!

well yeah, it is relative to the time and place we live, isn't that the point?

nothing is forever anymore, people walk away too easily i think sometimes, love is fickle or uttered flippantly without knowledge of its implication. all this personal freedom is great but not without its price. oh my god am I becoming the ultra conservative? or perhaps becoming jaded of society and thinking I should go off and google existentialism and try to comprehend it for the 5th or 6th time in my life so far lol

i think jaded = complacent = conservative. i don't know. but yeah aren't we all PC and uber active. i hate lipservice!

I don't agree, movements begin with an idea, an idea begins with an individual, that individual rallies others, until eventually you have a movement. There has been radical changes and movements in the present day, for example, I was at the Civil Marriage rally in April, there were a few hundred of us, in August there were a few thousand. It may take a few more tries of even vaster numbers, brought to the streets because of collective individuals spurred on by individuals but that is a movement, one very much in the now. One that many people on this Board have been involved in. One that it took a few (not many) to initiate.

I'm not looking for forever, that doesnt negate the idea of love though. sure thats a great thing, even if you only have it for five minutes