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# 1 : Wednesday 2-12-2009 @ 15:25
 
 
I was in a small Dublin shopping centre today the centre roughly consists of a Tesco, a newsagent, a post office, a hairdresser, junk eateries, empty units, a pub and 4 pharmacies.

I was people watching while drinking a cup of tea and there was a sizeable amount of scumbags who just seemed rough, problematic and just dangerous wasters. What is it about the hardened vacant look of these poor, dressed in pyjamas or dirty tracksuit’s with a slouching downcast suspicious look. They seem to lack any ambition or aspiration and seem totally unemployable. Its probable that they were born to a parent who probably never worked and I wager their children in turn will grow up the same and will keep the cycle in full circle.

I am not saying all the people in Dublin poor and tough areas are bad I am not saying all the Dublin scumbags are from tough and poor areas. I am talking about the near multi generational people born into a life of chaos, not interested in the world of education, law and order or personal responsibility.

How can the cycle be broken, is there any hope for the scumbag's children at least.

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# 2 : Wednesday 2-12-2009 @ 15:52
 
 
Maybe we should start by treating them as human,Calling somebody a scumbag without ever
having any interaction with them is wrong.The clothes do not make the person.
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# 3 : Wednesday 2-12-2009 @ 16:03
 
 
They have a look I can't put my finger on it, call me nuts, but you just see it. Even with a suit on theres just something that sticks out about them a hardness and old before their time, I don't know what that is. Maybe I notice it because of where I'm from.
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# 4 : Wednesday 2-12-2009 @ 16:05
 
 
What a judgemental thread.

How can the cycle be broken?.... maybe it can be broken when we figure out how it was created, and the effects on a community when it is moved to an area where their is no economic or social infastructure. They used the same model in Liverpool 30 years prior to the building of the towers, and the outcome was pretty much the same as it is in Ballymun. If you isolate the people, and fail to include, educate and value, then you create a dysfunctional community.

They are starting to put a bit into it now, in terms of programmes, and employment, and those hideous towers are being pulled down (albeit, being replaced by the same shyte/different colour), but at least it is an investment in the people.... re the people you watched, did you ask yourself what they may have been through before you labelled them 'scumbags'? Are you aware of their experiences? Their upbringing? Their sense of self? There's a lot more to someone than the picture your eyes relay to your brain in the light of a moment.

Incidently, I know a few girls from Ballymun, and they all had it tough, and I wouldnt label them scumbags, they consider them lucky not to have fallen victim of the drink/drug culture that this forgotten community developed, not to mention the various other abuses and violations that seemed to have been quite commonplace.

I think the solution comes in the investment. The cycle will change when the investment does, when people are given an alternative, not everyone will be open to opportunities, so not everyone will be reached. I am not sure exactly how many resources are in place out there, but I am sure there arent enough........ give a man a fish...

The hardened look you refer to, I believe has been created by growing up in a hostile/dangerous environment. The children even have this look, and I think their eyes mirror their experiences and their ability to survive these experiences in whatever way they can, and often, they survive by using coping mechanisms that have been developed within the community.


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# 5 : Wednesday 2-12-2009 @ 16:08
 
 
their main problem is hash/drugs and how it has fried their brains so they will always have that gormless look on their faces and vacant glaze in their eyes, some people manage to escape the cycle through their parents hard slogging to make sure they are in at a certain time and not associating with the "wrong" people/crowd.

these parents have to be commended for ensuring the future of society as we know and love it in certain areas which would otherwise descend into anarchy and lawlessness where murder and rape would become the order of the day.
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# 6 : Wednesday 2-12-2009 @ 16:10
 
 
If you create a situation where people are given dignity and self-pride, they will usually respond well. Of course not all will, as there will be bad apples in every cart.
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# 7 : Wednesday 2-12-2009 @ 16:24
 
 
Ballymun shopping center is unique in that there are more help groups occupying units than actual shops,Aware,Mabs etc. I'm sure the kip sounded like utopia when it was first built,no real surprise that with poverty and drugs added to the mix,scummery is prevalent.
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# 8 : Wednesday 2-12-2009 @ 16:28
 
 
I think drugs was a definite factor in those I was looking at. I go with that if the area is nice the people have a better chance at gaining some civic pride and with that some social responsibility. The shopping centre was one of the worse looking kips I ever seen in dub. But as said above there will always be a certain percentage who will just want the fish for free.

I don't know the solution look to Scandinavia or Canada who have solved some of the social problems of poverty as in breaking some of the cycle. But I imagine it would be expensive. I would like to think we have the money, but I have a feeling our solution will be the British and the American one build more prisons.
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# 9 : Wednesday 2-12-2009 @ 16:41
 
 
Someone said :

Incidently, I know a few girls from Ballymun, and they all had it tough, and I wouldnt label them scumbags, they consider them lucky not to have fallen victim of the drink/drug culture that this forgotten community developed, not to mention the various other abuses and violations that seemed to have been quite commonplace.

I grew up in a depressed and poor area and managed to avoid the pitfalls(most of them). I don't put it down to luck but good parenting in the face of such hardship. It wasn't till I became a parent myself that I began to appreciate what my own parents were up against. Creating the right environment in the home is where it all starts.
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# 10 : Wednesday 2-12-2009 @ 16:42
 
 
It also has to be said the ordinary living struggling or working folk of these areas are the salt of the Earth. It's as if they go out of their way to be extra friendly and wellcoming just to say we are not all like them. These low lives are more an embarrassment and inconvenience to them then anyone else I suppose.
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# 11 : Wednesday 2-12-2009 @ 16:49
 
 
Someone said :

I grew up in a depressed and poor area and managed to avoid the pitfalls(most of them). I don't put it down to luck but good parenting in the face of such hardship. It wasn't till I became a parent myself that I began to appreciate what my own parents were up against. Creating the right environment in the home is where it all starts.

Totally agree, I grew up in one of those areas as well and I avoided most the pitfalls. With a mix of parental example and some strategic 6 of the best from time to time when I strayed a little.

Maybe parenting skills is an answer.
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# 12 : Wednesday 2-12-2009 @ 16:50
 
 
And family support.

If the family support is there, combined with parenting skills, then the ills could be avoided.

However, I'm with sky when she said this is a very judgemental thread.
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# 13 : Wednesday 2-12-2009 @ 16:59
 
 
Someone said :
These low lives are more an embarrassment and inconvenience to them then anyone else I suppose.

44paul. Will you please make it clear who you are calling lowlifes and why?
Are you referring to those that were dressed in a different than you.
Those that may be unemployed and very anxious about the future may explain the
gloom look in their facial expression.
Give proof that the people you saw today are scumbags.
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# 14 : Wednesday 2-12-2009 @ 17:53
 
 
Their sense of self?

I grew up in a large family Skyline, from a pure working class background, my Mother worked three jobs, my Father two, to put food on the table..
We had core values taught from no age, no matter who or what you are, have respect for yourself, your community, and above all else if you don't have a shilling dress like you have..

Sense of self my butt! You coudl pour millions into these areas and the same little tossers would hang around smoking shit, avoiding work and plaguing their communities.
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# 15 : Wednesday 2-12-2009 @ 18:29
 
 
Someone said :

I grew up in a depressed and poor area and managed to avoid the pitfalls(most of them). I don't put it down to luck but good parenting in the face of such hardship. It wasn't till I became a parent myself that I began to appreciate what my own parents were up against. Creating the right environment in the home is where it all starts.

totally agree with this. some of the people i went to school with are in jail or dead!
who knows if i didn't have country parents and they hadn't instilled those strict values i most definitely may have fallen on the wrong side of the tracks. god knows i skated too close a few times!!
no motivation - brain fried by hashish. they want this way of life.
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