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Understanding Mental Illness
 
# 16 : Tuesday 12-1-2010 @ 00:51
 
 
Someone said :

Kerry Katona would be a good example of someone who I think has a personality disorder and is using a mental illness as an excuse. She claims to be bi-polar, yet she is a drug and alcohol abuser and God knows what else. I personally think she is full of shit.

Can you not be a drug and/or alcohol abuser and still have a mental disorder?
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# 17 : Tuesday 12-1-2010 @ 00:53
 
 
Someone said :

Kerry Katona would be a good example of someone who I think has a personality disorder and is using a mental illness as an excuse. She claims to be bi-polar, yet she is a drug and alcohol abuser and God knows what else. I personally think she is full of shit.

I persoanlly have a lot of sympathy for anyone who claims they have a mental illness. I think that drug amd alcohol abuse is actually a symptom of some menatl illnesses - My mother for example had alcoholism problems but was then diagnosed later on with manic depression - It's my view that the alcohol abuse was actually a symptom of the depression
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# 18 : Tuesday 12-1-2010 @ 00:53
 
 
I would imagine that mental illness and mental disorders are all one.
Psychopath. (wikki)
Psychopathy (pronounced /saɪˈkɒpəθi/[1][2]) is a personality disorder whose hallmark is a lack of empathy. Researcher Robert Hare, whose Hare Psychopathy Checklist is widely used, describes psychopaths as "intraspecies predators[3][4] who use charm, manipulation, intimidation, sex and violence[5][6][7] to control others and to satisfy their own needs. Lacking in conscience and empathy, they take what they want and do as they please, violating social norms and expectations without guilt or remorse".[8] "What is missing, in other words, are the very qualities that allow a human being to live in social harmony."[9]

Psychopaths are glib and superficially charming, and many psychopaths are excellent mimics of normal human emotion;[10] some psychopaths can blend in, undetected, in a variety of surroundings, including corporate environments.[11] There is neither a cure nor any effective treatment for psychopathy; there are no medications or other techniques which can instill empathy, and psychopaths who undergo traditional talk therapy only become more adept at manipulating others.[12] The consensus among researchers is that psychopathy stems from a specific neurological disorder which is biological in origin and present from birth.[10] It is estimated that one percent of the general population are psychopaths.[13][14]
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# 19 : Tuesday 12-1-2010 @ 00:55
 
 
I'm sure you can Hex. It's just the way it is treated on her TV show. It's like she behaves like an utter c**t and then blames the "bi-polar" Oh Kerry's having one of her bi-polar days. I don't think it actually works like that.
My cousin is a psychiatric nurse and thinks Katona is also full of shit. They pump her full of prescription drugs to keep her quiet.
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# 20 : Tuesday 12-1-2010 @ 00:58
 
 
Someone said :

I persoanlly have a lot of sympathy for anyone who claims they have a mental illness. I think that drug amd alcohol abuse is actually a symptom of some menatl illnesses - My mother for example had alcoholism problems but was then diagnosed later on with manic depression - It's my view that the alcohol abuse was actually a symptom of the depression

Ok Ian, I can fully appreciate where you are coming from, but I think it's a bit different. I think Kerry's problems are from her drug abuse and subsequent abuse of prescription drugs. If she were to get clean and have some counselling I am sure she would be okay. Anyway, it's just my observation, what do I know..
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# 21 : Tuesday 12-1-2010 @ 00:58
 
 
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I'm sure you can Hex. It's just the way it is treated on her TV show. It's like she behaves like an utter c**t and then blames the "bi-polar" Oh Kerry's having one of her bi-polar days. I don't think it actually works like that.
My cousin is a psychiatric nurse and thinks Katona is also full of shit. They pump her full of prescription drugs to keep her quiet.

We actually only know snippets of the truth though - what Kerry tells us and what the media tell us - I'm sure there is a lot more going on that you never hear about
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# 22 : Tuesday 12-1-2010 @ 00:58
 
 
Someone said :

What's the difference?

I was also confused until the psychiatrist explained it in the following way. (Bear in mind I am NOT an expert, ok.)

Mental illnesses... someone is sick mentally. For the most part, treatment is available. (Not always)

Mental disorders... either

1. It is due to an illness or chemical imbalance or other underlying external cause. Treat the illness or imbalance and the disorder can be treated or managed.

OR

2. It is organic. There is no chemical imbalance or illness. Some people are just born with a personality disorder that is organic in nature. They are usually very dangerous people, and once diagnosed (In the UK) are immediately institutionalised.
Not to treat them, but for the safety of other people.

It's like saying someone with a physical disability is physically sick. They are NOT sick because of the disability. They may be physically well.

EDIT: Thanks for the quote from Wiki. It merely backs up what the psychiatrist told me.
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# 23 : Tuesday 12-1-2010 @ 00:58
 
 
Someone said :

I persoanlly have a lot of sympathy for anyone who claims they have a mental illness. I think that drug amd alcohol abuse is actually a symptom of some menatl illnesses - My mother for example had alcoholism problems but was then diagnosed later on with manic depression - It's my view that the alcohol abuse was actually a symptom of the depression

But is not alcoholism an illness in itself? It may have a co-existing illness in depression but they are both illnesses that need treatment in their own right and separately. Just because one can make the other worse does not make them any less independent.
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# 24 : Tuesday 12-1-2010 @ 01:01
 
 
I am sometimes suspicions about just how widespread mental illness is, I read a startling stat, nearly 30% of all americans suffer from a mental illness in a given year. Where did that epidemic come from. Different disorders seem to prop up when a new pill comes on to the market. People read a magazine article containing a questionnaire and low and behold discover they have some new disorder. When I was in America I once seen a late night add saying are you suffering sleepless nights, are you unhappy, blah blah then you need to see your doctor, sponsored by Pfizer the makers of prozac.

I am not saying mental illness is not real for some I am suspicious that its a real condition for 30% of Americans and I would say the stats are high here as well, to high I think.
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# 25 : Tuesday 12-1-2010 @ 01:04
 
 
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yes, however mental disorders are not the same as mental illnesses.

Agreed Trep, they aren't actually and as much as applaud the video kicking off this thread, they seemed to heap it all together, A mental disorder is something you our born into this life with, a mental illness is something that happened to you after you where born, (eg nothing to do with your genitic coding) both are still very valided, but slightly different, I've worked with people with mental disorders, with my father, and he also worked with people who where mentally ill. Both ranges of people are wonderful, bright and I would never have any fear of them, infact if you look at that video (based from canada), I actually have a mental disorder, knowen as Gender Dysphroia, also dyslexia, hence when some one calls someone a retard, I get angry. Cos I've being made feellike that all my life. I can just imagine what people with more serious condition than me actually feel like. Damn good thread.
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# 26 : Tuesday 12-1-2010 @ 01:08
 
 
Someone said :

But is not alcoholism an illness in itself? It may have a co-existing illness in depression but they are both illnesses that need treatment in their own right and separately. Just because one can make the other worse does not make them any less independent.

In my view (and bear in mind - this is JUST my view) - they're linked as opposed to separate
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# 27 : Tuesday 12-1-2010 @ 01:08
 
 
This is a very interesting essay that was recently published in The New York Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/10/magazine/10psyche-t.html?em
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# 28 : Tuesday 12-1-2010 @ 01:13
 
 
Someone said :
I am sometimes suspicions about just how widespread mental illness is, I read a startling stat, nearly 30% of all americans suffer from a mental illness in a given year. Where did that epidemic come from. Different disorders seem to prop up when a new pill comes on to the market. People read a magazine article containing a questionnaire and low and behold discover they have some new disorder. When I was in America I once seen a late night add saying are you suffering sleepless nights, are you unhappy, blah blah then you need to see your doctor, sponsored by Pfizer the makers of prozac.

I am not saying mental illness is not real for some I am suspicious that its a real condition for 30% of Americans and I would say the stats are high here as well, to high I think.

Ok .But isn't that like me saying to someone.'aw sure you only have a small bit of cancer, It's not like your riddled with it.
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# 29 : Tuesday 12-1-2010 @ 01:26
 
 
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In my view (and bear in mind - this is JUST my view) - they're linked as opposed to separate

I know what your saying, and you know I do. But they aren't. Just cause one brings on the other doesn't mean they don't need separate treatment when the time comes.

It's easy to blame one on the other. But I think that it's not helpfull or ture. The depression that alcoholism brings on is very real. Just cause a person as a non-alcoholic an can see that the depression is brought on by alcohol (note I said brought on not caused by) is there does not make that depression any less real. It is real and it needs treatment just as much if not in tandum with the alcoholism.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not denying one brings on the other what I am saying is that once one is there you cannot deny the other exists in it's own right and while it might be easy to say if you didn't drink you wouldn't be depressed and it may be ture the facts are that if you are an aloholic and you do drink you will be depressed and it did bring it on but they are separate.
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# 30 : Tuesday 12-1-2010 @ 01:30
 
 
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Ok .But isn't that like me saying to someone.'aw sure you only have a small bit of cancer, It's not like your riddled with it.

Thats a bad comparison (or is it) its like you saying to me you are suffering needlessly from being a bad dancer, but fret not we have a pill for 5 dollars a pop. Look at the way the bullshit alternative remedies are sold.

Big Pharma who are the biggest cnuts of all are in the business of creating new markets, not curing illnesses and psychological disease is a big growth market for them. Look at the prozac class of drug how many maladies is that treating now. As I said earlier I know it very real for some. It hit me, but I believe most people have the means with-in to deal with it, or the means with-in with the aid of others, but some need more help, not 30% of the Anerican population. But big pharma advertise the conditions yes they market them, and people who would normally be having a bad day or week, pop pills.
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