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Understanding Mental Illness
 
# 31 : Tuesday 12-1-2010 @ 01:30
 
 
SADLY, some things never change, so I shouldn't have been surprised last week at the comments by certain Irish journalists about author Marian Keyes' admission that she is in the midst of a "crippling depression". But I was. I was not just surprised, but also spitting mad at the unbelievable ignorance and cruelty that could produce such dreadful journalism.

"I'm sorry Marian Keyes is suffering depression, but can't she do it in silence?" asked Mary Carr in the Irish Daily Mail. If I hadn't seen the headline with my own eyes, I wouldn't have believed it.

Just imagine writing that about someone with cancer, cystic fibrosis or severe diabetes. Why should "crippling depression" be any different? What is it that makes people sneer and deride a person's honest attempt to articulate a severe illness?

that mary carr bitch needs to cop on.how dare she say things like that?? marion keyes is someone i always looked up to.for her writing talent firstly and then finding out her backround.she struck a chord with me and to see how far shes come given all that,i think shes brilliant.she has given me the hope that i can do the same.no amount of money will cure depression,but shes shown that you can still acheive things even in your darkest hours in life.and to be honest,i think in your darkest hours,you have your brightest moments.
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# 32 : Tuesday 12-1-2010 @ 01:35
 
 
Someone said :
but shes shown that you can still acheive things even in your darkest hours in life.and to be honest,i think in your darkest hours,you have your brightest moments.

I could not agree with you more.
I actually look at my breakdown as a blessing, I came out of it been so much aware of life around me.
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# 33 : Tuesday 12-1-2010 @ 01:45
 
 
Someone said :

Big Pharma who are the biggest cnuts of all are in the business of creating new markets, not curing illnesses and psychological disease is a big growth market for them. Look at the prozac class of drug how many maladies is that treating now. As I said earlier I know it very real for some. It hit me, but I believe most people have the means with-in to deal with it, or the means with-in with the aid of others, but some need more help, not 30% of the Anerican population. But big pharma advertise the conditions yes they market them, and people who would normally be having a bad day or week, pop pills.

You are correct there. The pharmacutical companies are doing what they do best.Making money.
Medication, IMO, has a place in treating many of these conditions. But that does not mean they are a permanent solution. Anti deps, for instance will contribute approx 20%
of what is needed to control the symptoms. The other 80% must come from within, often in the form of support groups or through counselling.
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# 34 : Tuesday 12-1-2010 @ 02:18
 
 
Youre not ranting Paul....anyone who doesnt absorb that isnt suffering!
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# 35 : Tuesday 12-1-2010 @ 02:26
 
 
Paul. I'm not harping on you, After all this thread is about discussing the issues.

I feel you are not accepting the amount of people that do experience difficulties.
Years of ridicule and stigma meant that many peeps kept their difficulties in the closet. (so to speak).
As society is becoming more educated on these issues people are finding it easier to seek the help that is needed.
If the figures seem to be high for you, maybe that is good.
It may mean more people are availing of treatment and no longer suffering in silence.

EDIT...Grief as hard as it can be,is a natural proccess and a very painfull one.
I suppose Time is the greatest healer of them all and when the grief subsides we are left with fond treasurable memories.
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# 36 : Tuesday 12-1-2010 @ 02:34
 
 
ive gone to the doctor,he gives me tablets.same old shite.i dont need them so i dont take them.ive taken them for yonks,but i know i actually dont need them now.doctors need to talk to their patients more rather than fob them off with a prescription and think thats grand,i got my 65 euro and theyll be better.

down days and depression are something ive learned to differentiate between,and tablets arent always the cure.sometimes i think they can make you worse.
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# 37 : Tuesday 12-1-2010 @ 02:39
 
 
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... tablets arent always the cure.sometimes i think they can make you worse.

I completely agree, they're not always the answer.
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# 38 : Tuesday 12-1-2010 @ 04:13
 
 
tough tough life can be. ive been crucified [privately] by depression for years, though lately [i mean in the past 5] ive overcome it to a great degree. i have never seeked professional help, and i regret that. i might do one day if it returns.... but thankfully i found my own way out of that nightmare.

any person who feels depressed in any form should do otherwise than i did... go seek help.
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# 39 : Tuesday 12-1-2010 @ 09:09
 
 
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In my view (and bear in mind - this is JUST my view) - they're linked as opposed to separate

But, not all alcoholics suffer with depression. If fact, those alcoholics who do would be a minority - ok, its a large minority, but still, its wrong to inextricably link the two.
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# 40 : Tuesday 12-1-2010 @ 10:41
 
 
Someone said :

"I'm sorry Marian Keyes is suffering depression, but can't she do it in silence?" asked Mary Carr in the Irish Daily Mail. If I hadn't seen the headline with my own eyes, I wouldn't have believed it.

Irish (?) Daily Mail
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# 41 : Tuesday 12-1-2010 @ 13:55
 
 
just to point out to anyone whos clicked on to the above post without reading the thread,i didnt actually say that.it was something i used in one of my posts.

im off now to give lefty a dig in the head.
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# 42 : Tuesday 12-1-2010 @ 14:00
 
 
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just to point out to anyone whos clicked on to the above post without reading the thread,i didnt actually say that.it was something i used in one of my posts.

im off now to give lefty a dig in the head.

I think it's clear, but give me a thump if you like,
you were quoting from the Irish Daily Mail (newspaper?)
I said (Irish?) in relation to the Irish Daily Mail as I'm questioning their use of the Irish in their name, it's the Irish version of an English newspaper, a newspaper that in the past has published some very unkind, untrue accusations about Ireland. Then I put (newspaper?) in brackets to question whether they're a newspaper, it's more of a rag imo.

Sorry riot for drifting, go on give me another whack
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# 43 : Tuesday 12-1-2010 @ 14:09
 
 
Someone said :

But, not all alcoholics suffer with depression. If fact, those alcoholics who do would be a minority - ok, its a large minority, but still, its wrong to inextricably link the two.

I know that not all alcoholics suffer from depression. What I was trying to say is that in my view that SOMETIMES alcohol abuse is a symptom of depression and that there is a link SOMETIMES
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# 44 : Tuesday 12-1-2010 @ 14:48
 
 
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I know that not all alcoholics suffer from depression. What I was trying to say is that in my view that SOMETIMES alcohol abuse is a symptom of depression and that there is a link SOMETIMES

I think also that many people may use alcohol as a tool to lessen the pain
experienced with depression.
While this may work on a temporary basis, But if the depression becomes more severe then the intake of alcohol needed to numb the pain increases. This is where the danger lies as one can very quickly develop a dependancy on alcohol to get them through the day.
So,while alcoholism may be in some cases seen as a symptom of depression
It can also play a factor in triggering bouts of depression.

NOTE. symptoms and triggers are two seperate identities.
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# 45 : Tuesday 12-1-2010 @ 14:54
 
 
Someone said :
This is a very interesting essay that was recently published in The New York Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/10/magazine/10psyche-t.html?em

What a fascinating and well written essay, a lot of things, I think I know, about the mind, culture and mental illness is wrong. There so much in the essay, it its impossible to abridge. A very compressed psychology book.
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