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Young Gay Men, Ignorance Is Aids?
 
# 31 : Tuesday 25-1-2011 @ 09:51
 
 
Meh. These results are just scare mongering, nothing more. As several people have said here, the only way to guarantee not becoming HIV+ is to become celibate. So, Tripper, I ask you, do you want us all to become celibate? You don't seem to have answered that question.
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# 32 : Tuesday 25-1-2011 @ 11:24
 
 
Where are the statistics for hetrosexuals!!!!
Last year the GUM clinic in Belfast were warning of an increase in HIV amongst hetrosexuals in the 30-40 and over age bracket...
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# 33 : Tuesday 25-1-2011 @ 15:28
 
 
Someone said :

Harsh? Uncharitable? How fucking very dare you. I sorry but that obnoxious prejudiced comment has caused me to be very upset. I think it is disgusting that anyone has to suffer aids when it is preventable and you have the nerve to call me uncharitable? Whats wrong with you... you fucking prick?

Oh don't make me roar crying!
Tip to 'Tripper': Don't post when you're on the rag!
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# 34 : Tuesday 25-1-2011 @ 16:05
 
 
Okay returning to this thread with a more sober (albeit pained) head I admit I could and should have been more careful in my choice of words. I am sorry that I chose the word disgusting and for any offence, I really like genuinely didn't mean it in an offensive way but I should have thought a little harder about it when typing. I literally meant it in a "isn't this horrific depressing distressing etc etc." kinda way not at all in a judgey or morally way. I really don't want to get into a masso keyboard war over a word.

Someone said :
Hardly an unbiased study! It's like saying 100% of all murderers kill people!

Streetfighter those cities included San Francisco, Washington DC, New York and LA(Inluding WeHo). So whilst it is a valid point that the research would be slightly off but we are talking about major urban areas, places that generally attract a high population of gay people.

Someone said :
Self glorifying fear mongering trash.

Glorifying who? It isn't trash either, look it up, familiarize yourself with the statistics.

Lets increase awareness but in honesty. Statistics like that can be very fearful for someone who is starting to explore and identify with their sexuality.

If we deny ourselves information because we like afraid of it what will become us?

Someone said :
And yet you live in one! Condoms break, shit happens. Awareness is important but don't insult people who were truly hit by an accident

I didn't mean to insult anyone and yes I accept that shit happens but in studies done they have shown when condoms are used correctly and consistently then the virus is not spread.

Someone said :
ALL the gay and bisexual men in these 21 cities and had them ALL tested? I very much doubt it.

Of course not, in the linked article they explain exactly how the research was conducted and the limits of the research which I think everyone accepts but these are the results of the study and every study is conducted in a similarly limited way.

Someone said :
To me what's even more lamentable than your callouness is the fact that a 22 year old gay man can be so intollerant and blinkered. You're attitudes sound extremely right wing.

Right wing? I don't even really know what that means I'm not intolerant or blinkered. I just read something that shocked me and I posted it here using less than thoughtful language for which I'm sorry.

Someone said :
Meh. These results are just scare mongering, nothing more. As several people have said here, the only way to guarantee not becoming HIV+ is to become celibate. So, Tripper, I ask you, do you want us all to become celibate? You don't seem to have answered that question.

No I'm not pretending to have a solution I just wanted to discuss it and see what people thought. Do I think everyone should be celibate oh no definitely not that would be silly and impossible but maybe people should practice more sexual hesitance or something?
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# 35 : Tuesday 25-1-2011 @ 16:07
 
 
The only way to prevent HIV infection M2M is to never,ever have unprotected sex.Now what Tripper in his naivete fails to grasp is that we as men are sexual beings,human beings.
Accidents happen,mistakes are made.
It would be like denigrating someone because they had a carcrash.
I have noticed that a lot of younger guys think they are left wing and tolerant by sheer dint of their sexuality.This is not the case.It worries me that the Facebook generation seem to be all opinion and no thought.
People contract Hiv,thats that.
If you ever knew anyone who suffered you would shut your opinionhole pretty quickly.
This diseas has shadowed the last 30 years of Gay Mens history.
It has stolen sex from us(and everyone else) in its primal sense and made everyone on the planet think twice before performing a sex act.It has robbed the earth of an entire generation of gay men who were the proud pioneers of the freedom younger guys take for granted and set the sexual revolution back by decades.

HIV is a reality of our world and those who have contracted it suffer stigma in ways beyond that which we as gay men already come in contact with.
Trip-people are only being so hard on you because any intolerant language in regards HIV is unacceptable.It has to be treated at linguistic source the same as racism.

It could happen to any of us and sadly will.
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# 36 : Tuesday 25-1-2011 @ 16:14
 
 
Someone said :
The only way to prevent HIV infection M2M is to never,ever have unprotected sex.Now what Tripper in his naivete fails to grasp is that we as men are sexual beings,human beings.
Accidents happen,mistakes are made.
It would be like denigrating someone because they had a carcrash.
I have noticed that a lot of younger guys think they are left wing and tolerant by sheer dint of their sexuality.This is not the case.It worries me that the Facebook generation seem to be all opinion and no thought.
People contract Hiv,thats that.
If you ever knew anyone who suffered you would shut your opinionhole pretty quickly.
This diseas has shadowed the last 30 years of Gay Mens history.
It has stolen sex from us(and everyone else) in its primal sense and made everyone on the planet think twice before performing a sex act.It has robbed the earth of an entire generation of gay men who were the proud pioneers of the freedom younger guys take for granted and set the sexual revolution back by decades.

HIV is a reality of our world and those who have contracted it suffer stigma in ways beyond that which we as gay men already come in contact with.
Trip-people are only being so hard on you because any intolerant language in regards HIV is unacceptable.It has to be treated at linguistic source the same as racism.

It could happen to any of us and sadly will.

Excellent post, you're dead right!
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# 37 : Tuesday 25-1-2011 @ 16:15
 
 
Very powerful post and have to say I totally agree with everything you have said.
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# 38 : Tuesday 25-1-2011 @ 22:03
 
 
Someone said :
The only way to prevent HIV infection M2M is to never,ever have unprotected sex.Now what Tripper in his naivete fails to grasp is that we as men are sexual beings,human beings.
Accidents happen,mistakes are made.
It would be like denigrating someone because they had a carcrash.
I have noticed that a lot of younger guys think they are left wing and tolerant by sheer dint of their sexuality.This is not the case.It worries me that the Facebook generation seem to be all opinion and no thought.
People contract Hiv,thats that.
If you ever knew anyone who suffered you would shut your opinionhole pretty quickly.
This diseas has shadowed the last 30 years of Gay Mens history.
It has stolen sex from us(and everyone else) in its primal sense and made everyone on the planet think twice before performing a sex act.It has robbed the earth of an entire generation of gay men who were the proud pioneers of the freedom younger guys take for granted and set the sexual revolution back by decades.

HIV is a reality of our world and those who have contracted it suffer stigma in ways beyond that which we as gay men already come in contact with.
Trip-people are only being so hard on you because any intolerant language in regards HIV is unacceptable.It has to be treated at linguistic source the same as racism.

It could happen to any of us and sadly will.

People can be as hard on me as they want to, telling me I'm intolerant etc doesn't in anyway impact on what was reported. This battle on semantics has managed to totally distract attention from the issue I wanted to discuss. I have apologised for using the word disgusting, but I never said the people were disgusting, like you said that would be the equivalent of passing a moral judgement on someone unfortunate enough to have been in a car accident.

I don't think I am left wing and I don't necessarily think I am tolerant, certainly not cause I'm a gay but if you think you know "this generation" based on things said on FB you need to re-examine your assumptions.

To accuse me of naivety is wrong. I know that people make mistakes, I know that people have urges and the sex can and often does happen in less than perfect circumstances, in fact I posted as much in the post directly preceding yours if you'd bothered to read it. Again however this does not impact on the facts that this research have presented us with and these statistics represent real suffering and pain for many people and that is a tragedy.

You want to know what worries me about "my generation" the sheer ignorance in relation to HIV and aids. When I was at pride and some float about the HIV Aids issue passed, a friend of a friend screamed "UGggwwhhhhh... thats rotten". I asked him what he meant... he replied "thats just so ugly and depressing why do they have to bring aids into it thats got nothing to do with being gay thats over now." I was shocked and upset firstly that he could be so misinformed about something that does pose an extra threat to him and secondly because that attitude invalidates and tries to blur out the suffering of many thousands of our community. So if statistics like this scare young people exploring their sexuality then maybe that is not such an absolutely terrible thing, it scared me.
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# 39 : Tuesday 25-1-2011 @ 22:13
 
 
I do agree with you in part that scaring people about aids isn't a bad thing ( even if the above stats have little effect on me due to my lack of faith in them). Ive heard that heard that in the states "respected professionals" are saying that aids is no longer a big thing and that current medication proves that people can live as long and productive with the virus as someone without. That, I hate! I mean how can you prove that until someone has lived 60+ years on the meds. It is massively dangerous talk.
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# 40 : Tuesday 25-1-2011 @ 22:26
 
 
Streetfighter the institution is a very very important and respected medical foundation. They advocate for gay health and for greater provision of health care specifically tailored to the needs of gay men in these areas of risk. They are at the forefront of advancing medical reform in America and work with Obama. The research is as good as any research can be. Please if you have a few minutes to spare look at their website.

http://www.kff.org/
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# 41 : Tuesday 25-1-2011 @ 22:41
 
 
Sorry but when I don't trust the methodolgy of a survey I'm not going to believe the results... not saying they don't do good things
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# 42 : Tuesday 25-1-2011 @ 22:43
 
 
Someone said :
Sorry but when I don't trust the methodolgy of a survey I'm not going to believe the results... not saying they don't do good things

Okay well I'm not a KFF spokesperson so I won't go on and on defending them but all I'll say is when looked at with historical results these are not drastically out of line... although it isn't a study they hiv tested everyone so thats not a survey is it?
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# 43 : Tuesday 25-1-2011 @ 22:47
 
 
Someone said :

Okay well I'm not a KFF spokesperson so I won't go on and on defending them but all I'll say is when looked at with historical results these are not drastically out of line... although it isn't a study they hiv tested everyone so thats not a survey is it?

Jaysus study/survey... I meant the same thing
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# 44 : Tuesday 25-1-2011 @ 22:50
 
 
Someone said :

Impact on Gay and Bisexual Men
• Despite declines in HIV infection rates among gay and bisexual
men since the early years of the epidemic, they continue to be at
high risk for HIV. Gay and bisexual men accounted for an estimated
53% of new HIV infections in 2006, and are the only group for which
new infections are on the rise.
5,6
• Younger gay and bisexual men and those of color are at particularly
high risk. Young men between the ages of 13 and 29 accounted for
38% of infections among gay and bisexual men, a share that was
even higher among young Black men (52%).
15
Studies have also
found high HIV incidence and prevalence among gay and bisexual
men in some cities, particularly Black and Latino men, many of
whom did not know they were infected.

The thing about the young gay people and those from minorities is just so so so upsetting! A whole new generation is going to get trapped. Also sorry SF for being so nitty.

I thought I'd include a link to the pdf for anyone interested.

http://www.kff.org/hivaids/3029.cfm
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# 45 : Tuesday 25-1-2011 @ 22:51
 
 
No worries!
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