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Mickey Money.
 
# 301 : Thursday 8-12-2011 @ 19:34
 
 
Someone said :

I mostly agree with you, everyone is entitled to some time off and maybe travel a bit. But apparently everyone doesn't necessarily include single people?

I know family is very important and kids deserve a good childhood but we single fuckers are people too, why don't we ever get any breaks or free money?

I'm still not using the central heating most of the time because money is so tight right now. It is now December and I don't really plan to turn it on unless my flat actually feels cold. I just put on extra clothes and that's it. I am not complaining, I'm just dealing with my reality the best way I can.

Why can't other do the same? Why should a comfortable lifestyle be subsidized?

single people with no kids don't matter.
i have to pay into a compulsory widows and orphans fund also. thats hardly fair either.
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# 302 : Thursday 8-12-2011 @ 19:39
 
 
Someone said :

single people with no kids don't matter.
i have to pay into a compulsory widows and orphans fund also. thats hardly fair either.

Yup. I think I need to get someone pregnant and maybe develop a heroin habit.

Then I'll get cheap rent and loads of free money.
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# 303 : Thursday 8-12-2011 @ 19:41
 
 
Everyone else has it so much better than me
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# 304 : Thursday 8-12-2011 @ 19:42
 
 
Someone said :

Yup. I think I need to get someone pregnant and maybe develop a heroin habit.

Then I'll get cheap rent and loads of free money.

But if you did then you would require help... and isn't that the principle of social spending. To assist those who require it? IMO
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# 305 : Thursday 8-12-2011 @ 19:43
 
 
Someone said :
Everyone else has it so much better than me



that's not what I'm saying! just that people shut the hell up and pay for their own kids.
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# 306 : Thursday 8-12-2011 @ 19:47
 
 
[

I know family is very important and kids deserve a good childhood but we single fuckers are people too, why don't we ever get any breaks?

Well this budget for one, single people with no kids won't pay anymore tax unless they have a car or own property. Our income will remain the same so you are mistaken there.
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# 307 : Thursday 8-12-2011 @ 19:50
 
 
Someone said :

But if you did then you would require help... and isn't that the principle of social spending. To assist those who require it? IMO

Yup, to reward failure.

I don't mean to sound uncharitable, those who actually need it should get support and there is no reason to have people starving or homeless in a developed country like Ireland.

But to subsidize a comfortable lifestyle for those too stupid or foolish to earn it is bollocks and harms society as whole. It's not about the money we spend on them, it's about creating a culture of apathy, laziness and entitlement when you have done fuck all to deserve what you get.
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# 308 : Thursday 8-12-2011 @ 19:51
 
 
I understand all that Frodo but don't see why you feel all children should be punished for a few bad eggs.
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# 309 : Thursday 8-12-2011 @ 19:53
 
 
Someone said :
[

I know family is very important and kids deserve a good childhood but we single fuckers are people too, why don't we ever get any breaks?

Well this budget for one, single people with no kids won't pay anymore tax unless they have a car or own property. Our income will remain the same so you are mistaken there.

No, I am not mistaken. We're simply talking about different things. So I won't be taxed more next year, yeah that's great to hear but it doesn't mean i'm getting any free money or an easy ride. And I don't think I really should. I simply cannot see why others feel so entitled to all the benefits they get.
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# 310 : Thursday 8-12-2011 @ 19:53
 
 
Someone said :
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Well this budget for one, single people with no kids won't pay anymore tax unless they have a car or own property. Our income will remain the same so you are mistaken there.

err err wrong. my wages took another hit.
its ok though - i'm happy enough to subsidise those who need it less than i do.
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# 311 : Thursday 8-12-2011 @ 19:53
 
 
Someone said :

Yup, to reward failure.

I don't mean to sound uncharitable, those who actually need it should get support and there is no reason to have people starving or homeless in a developed country like Ireland.

But to subsidize a comfortable lifestyle for those too stupid or foolish to earn it is bollocks and harms society as whole. It's not about the money we spend on them, it's about creating a culture of apathy, laziness and entitlement when you have done fuck all to deserve what you get.

Is this you?

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# 312 : Thursday 8-12-2011 @ 19:55
 
 
Not quite, but she was on to something. I do not support savage capitalism though.
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# 313 : Thursday 8-12-2011 @ 20:12
 
 
Someone said :
I understand all that Frodo but don't see why you feel all children should be punished for a few bad eggs.

no child should be punished or left in need, but if means getting less toys for christmas or other treats then tough shit!
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# 314 : Thursday 8-12-2011 @ 20:12
 
 
Someone said :
but it doesn't mean i'm getting any free money or an easy ride. And I don't think I really should. I simply cannot see why others feel so entitled to all the benefits they get.

Ok, as a parent here who works damn hard in a full time job and has paid taxes for the last 15 odd years, and has never been on any form of social welfare (thank fuck, I'm one of the rare lucky few) but still as a single parent raising two children on my own there is a short fall in what is suppose to be in place for children (what I have paid my taxes to provide) and what is actually there.

I am one of "those" people, I get child benefit, just as every other guardian does, this is my sole "benefit" from the state, I have never in my adult life had a medical card or claimed for rent allowance. A few years ago my son needed braces and I could have waited and gotten them from the state for free, I would have had to wait until he was a lot older to get them, but could have gotten them for free, instead I paid out of pocket as I did not think it would be fair for my child to go through his formative years with a huge under-bite. This cost me €4,500 that didn't come out of the air but out of my hard earned savings.

As those of you here know, I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't do drugs, I don't drive unless I have to. My children eat healthily.

But education is expensive and I set aside the child benefit to pay for the shortfall that happens every September (I am not entitled to the back to school payment). And children grow quickly (the teenager grew over half a foot in the last 6 months, that is a lot of clothes) and eat a lot (do any of you remember what you ate when going through those growth spurts..

So where am I milking the system? As I am "those" people who get child benefit for their children.

Just because some people abuse the system does not mean everyone does.

Just because some people can afford every unexpected extra that comes with children doesn't mean everyone can.

There are the vast majority in the middle ground.

I have said it before in this thread, I am all for means testing, but blanket cuts are ridiculous.

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And this ends Ery's participation in this thread.
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# 315 : Thursday 8-12-2011 @ 20:16
 
 
Someone said :

Ok, as a parent here who works damn hard in a full time job and has paid taxes for the last 15 odd years, and has never been on any form of social welfare (thank fuck, I'm one of the rare lucky few) but still as a single parent raising two children on my own there is a short fall in what is suppose to be in place for children (what I have paid my taxes to provide) and what is actually there.

I am one of "those" people, I get child benefit, just as every other guardian does, this is my sole "benefit" from the state, I have never in my adult life had a medical card or claimed for rent allowance. A few years ago my son needed braces and I could have waited and gotten them from the state for free, I would have had to wait until he was a lot older to get them, but could have gotten them for free, instead I paid out of pocket as I did not think it would be fair for my child to go through his formative years with a huge under-bite. This cost me €4,500 that didn't come out of the air but out of my hard earned savings.

As those of you here know, I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't do drugs, I don't drive unless I have to. My children eat healthily.

But education is expensive and I set aside the child benefit to pay for the shortfall that happens every September (I am not entitled to the back to school payment). And children grow quickly (the teenager grew over half a foot in the last 6 months, that is a lot of clothes) and eat a lot (do any of you remember what you ate when going through those growth spurts..

So where am I milking the system? As I am "those" people who get child benefit for their children.

Just because some people abuse the system does not mean everyone does.

Just because some people can afford every unexpected extra that comes with children doesn't mean everyone can.

There are the vast majority in the middle ground.

I have said it before in this thread, I am all for means testing, but blanket cuts are ridiculous.

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And this ends Ery's participation in this thread.

I agree with all that, and as I said I don't think any child should be left in need. I don't advocate blank cuts either. But clearly too many people are getting benefits when they need none.
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