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Labour Disunity?
 
# 1 : Sunday 17-7-2011 @ 15:40
 
 
How long can the Labour Party stick together in coalition?

On the one hand, we have Labour Party minister Joan Burton taking a swipe at people on the dole:
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Burton vows to end 'dole lifestyle choice'

By DANIEL McCONNELL, CRAIG HUGHES and JOHN DRENNAN

Sunday July 17 2011

Social welfare has become a "lifestyle choice" for many leaving school, a situation which is totally unacceptable and will no longer be tolerated, Social Protection Minister Joan Burton has said.

"What we are getting at the moment is people who come into the system straight after school as a lifestyle choice. This is not acceptable, everyone should be expected to contribute and work," Ms Burton said.
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And on the other hand, within a few hours, we have Labour Councillor Cian O'Callaghan taking a swipe at her:

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Unemployment is not a ‘life style choice’

Speaking in re-action to comments of Minister Joan Burton in today’s Sunday Independent where she referred to young people leaving school and entering the social welfare system as a ‘life style choice’ Labour councillor Cian O’Callaghan said:

“Young people who leave school and can’t find jobs do not choose unemployment as a ‘life style choice’. Nor are they to blame for our jobs and economic crisis. The responsibility for the crisis lies squarely with a political system that is wrecking our economy by implementing failed policies of cuts and austerity.

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# 2 : Sunday 17-7-2011 @ 15:44
 
 
Someone said :
How long can the Labour Party stick together in coalition?

On the one hand, we have Labour Party minister Joan Burton taking a swipe at people on the dole:

And on the other hand, within a few hours, we have Labour Councillor Cian O'Callaghan taking a swipe at her:

What do you mean - do you think that the party could potentially split into 2 parties?
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# 3 : Sunday 17-7-2011 @ 15:49
 
 
The coalition just seems to be a litany of broken promises, Gilmore been the king of them.

In a few more years I think he along with his party will all be looking for internships.

I will admit an election is not the time to be honest especially with the fiscal situation we are in. They really should have went into opposition, I think they will regret they didn't.

I wonder what will happen to the Croke park agreement.

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# 4 : Sunday 17-7-2011 @ 15:53
 
 
Some do, some don't.
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# 5 : Sunday 17-7-2011 @ 16:02
 
 
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Some do, some don't.

what?
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# 6 : Sunday 17-7-2011 @ 16:03
 
 
I always hate that clap trap, politicians blaming the unemployed for been unemployed. It implies there are jobs for all, we the "party" are doing a sterling job at creating employment, its just the "dole culture" and people not willing to work is the reason for such high unemployment.

Is anyone that stupid to believe that. I think it is an insult to the unemployed and this time coming from Labour (whom I voted).

Maybe she is making an excuse for the disastrous internships, so now she wants the recent school leavers to work in Kish fish.
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# 7 : Sunday 17-7-2011 @ 16:05
 
 
It can't be ruled out that FG - riding high in the polls at 42% - will seek to capitalise on Labour divisions to get an overall majority by calling a snap-election.
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# 8 : Sunday 17-7-2011 @ 16:09
 
 
It's probably not the right time to say it, but most people would admit that there is a small but significant number of people who do see the dole and assorted benefits as a valid lifestyle choice. There's also a large amount of landlords that survive financially solely because of rent allowance cheques for houses that aren't fit for dogs. There are problems that need to be solved and there are more ways than one of looking at them; that someone from the same party has a different way of looking at it is not a huge display of disunity.
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# 9 : Sunday 17-7-2011 @ 16:11
 
 
When I was in college, I shared a house with 3 people. After we graduated, I took whatever low-paid jobs were going. The other 3 signed on. One since got himself a job. The other two never worked since. In a few years, the 20th anniversary of their signing on will be coming up!

They always could have got a job, but they just didn't. They got rent allowance, dole, medical card. It was enough for them.

Undoubtedly, dole was a lifestyle choice for those two friends.

So while there are a lot of people unemployed because of the recession, there are also some people who won't work because they just don't want to.

Joan Burton is right to say that this latter kind of sponger will not be tolerated.
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# 10 : Sunday 17-7-2011 @ 16:19
 
 
I also know people who just simply never worked, never wanted to, even when there was full employment. There will always be those types.

But to say it now when there is nearly 500.000 unemployed and to try and do something about it now.

So does she have a policy in mind? is she going to cap unemployment benefit after a certain time?, will she make these people going over that time do community work?.

So why bring it up now?
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# 11 : Sunday 17-7-2011 @ 16:37
 
 
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So why bring it up now?

Because every department has to make cuts. It's better to adress that in social welfare by clamping down on abuses of the system rather than just cutting at random.
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# 12 : Sunday 17-7-2011 @ 16:43
 
 
There is no logic to 15% of child-benefit going to households earning €150,000+ as reported by Prime Time last year. The solution in part is to means-testing welfare. When resources are scarce we have to prioritise.
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# 13 : Sunday 17-7-2011 @ 16:58
 
 
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There is no logic to 15% of child-benefit going to households earning €150,000+ as reported by Prime Time last year. The solution in part is to means-testing welfare. When resources are scarce we have to prioritise.

Will the savings on means testing not just be absorbed by the administrative cost of means testing?
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# 14 : Sunday 17-7-2011 @ 17:06
 
 
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Because every department has to make cuts. It's better to adress that in social welfare by clamping down on abuses of the system rather than just cutting at random.

Agreed and I think it may act as a deflection from the internship policy.

Personally speaking and I will add I am only going on my experience and I don't know the official figures. Perhaps I just know a cluster of this type of social welfare abuse.

But I think the most abused welfare is the lone parents allowance. Again I know there are genuine cases, but it seems the easiest welfare system to abuse.
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# 15 : Sunday 17-7-2011 @ 17:07
 
 
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Will the savings on means testing not just be absorbed by the administrative cost of means testing?

We just need the Dept of Finance and the Dept of Social Protection to share information on household incomes. €2.26 billion is spent on child benefit, so that could save the taxpayer €339 million removing it from households on €150,000+ alone. That doesn't include taking it off other high earners. I have seen no evidence means-testing would exceed that cost. We are not talking about employing tens of thousands of new civil servants to administer it.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/high-earners-wont-face-ch etc ...
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