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# 1 : Monday 10-10-2011 @ 18:16
 
 
Two referendum questions will be put to the people at the same time as the presidential election:
- Tax Judges
- Enable Oireachtas's investigations

Which one of the two will you support?
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# 2 : Monday 10-10-2011 @ 18:47
 
 
Please clarify. Judges are not taxed? they should be taxed. Oireachtas? investigations into their chicanery? Of course. But not by tribunals. These are a colossal waste of time and money.
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# 3 : Monday 10-10-2011 @ 18:49
 
 
http://www.referendum2011.ie/

Referendum on the pay of judges

This referendum is about whether the pay of judges can be reduced in certain circumstances. At present the Constitution does not allow for the reduction of the remuneration of sitting judges.

Referendum on inquiries by the Oireachtas

This referendum proposes to give the Houses of the Oireachtas (the Dáil and Seanad) express power to conduct inquiries into matters of general public importance and, in doing so, to make findings of fact about any person’s conduct.

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# 4 : Monday 10-10-2011 @ 18:51
 
 
Ah, I get it. Many thanks. I'll think about it.
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# 5 : Monday 10-10-2011 @ 18:51
 
 
No on the Judges' pay.
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# 6 : Monday 10-10-2011 @ 18:52
 
 
Someone said :
No on the Judges' pay.

Why?
It is about allowing them to be taxed like anybody else, in the same proportion.
Not to slash their earnings if they do not judge "the right way".
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# 7 : Monday 10-10-2011 @ 18:54
 
 
Someone said :

Why?
It is about allowing them to be taxed like anybody else, in the same proportion.
Not to slash their earnings if they do not judge "the right way".

The current constitutional prohibition on the reduction of the pay of judges while they are in office does not prevent taxation being applied to them in the normal way. This was established in the case of O’Byrne v Minister for Finance (1). In practice, taxes such as income tax, capital acquisitions tax, capital gains tax and stamp duties apply to judges in the same way as to everyone else.

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# 8 : Monday 10-10-2011 @ 18:55
 
 
Someone said :

Why?
It is about allowing them to be taxed like anybody else, in the same proportion.
Not to slash their earnings if they do not judge "the right way".

What's this about tax?
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# 9 : Monday 10-10-2011 @ 19:00
 
 
Tripper, are you saying or are you quoting?
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# 10 : Monday 10-10-2011 @ 19:01
 
 
When are we going to have a referendum on children's rights? It's been talked out about and debated for ages but nothing had happened yet and IMO it is an important one to hold.
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# 11 : Monday 10-10-2011 @ 19:02
 
 
Someone said :
Ah, I get it. Many thanks. I'll think about it.

Actually they can already pay taxes, but "judges are not legally obliged to pay the “Public Service Pension Levy”
This referendum is about whether the pay of judges can be reduced in certain circumstances. At present the Constitution does not allow for the reduction of the remuneration of sitting judges.

The proposed change to the Constitution would

• allow for a law to be passed reducing the pay of judges proportionately if the pay of public servants is being or has been reduced and that reduction is stated to be “in the public interest”.
At present, judges pay tax and the Universal Social Charge in the same way as everyone else. Judges are not legally obliged to pay the “Public Service Pension Levy” although they may voluntarily choose to make an equivalent contribution.

The proposal would also

• allow for a law to be passed making judges subject to the “Public Service Pension Levy” and to any other future similar charge or charges.
Proposed amendment – judges’ pay
At present, Article 35.5 of the Constitution states:
“The remuneration of a judge shall not be reduced during his continuance in office.”

It is proposed to replace this with the following wording:
5 1° The remuneration of judges shall not be reduced during their continuance in office save in accordance with this section.

2° The remuneration of judges is subject to the imposition of taxes, levies or other charges that are imposed by law on persons generally or persons belonging to a particular class.

3° Where, before or after the enactment of this section, reductions have been or are made by law to the remuneration of persons belonging to classes of persons whose remuneration is paid out of public money and such law states that those reductions are in the public interest, provision may also be made by law to make proportionate reductions to the remuneration of judges.

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# 12 : Monday 10-10-2011 @ 19:05
 
 
Someone said :
When are we going to have a referendum on children's rights? It's been talked out about and debated for ages but nothing had happened yet and IMO it is an important one to hold.

It will happen next year, once we have a new president.
The far right and catholic extremists want Gay or Dana to kick it out, but that ain't gonna happen.
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# 13 : Monday 17-10-2011 @ 17:22
 
 
It is strange, most people I talk to are against the judge pay referendum but in favor of the increased parliamentary investigative powers.
They see to fear an impact on the independence of justice, but not on their own privacy.
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# 14 : Monday 17-10-2011 @ 17:26
 
 
Yes on Judges Pay. No on Inquiries. The wording of the latter amendment is very worrying in that it allows the Oireachtas to determine the balance between the rights of the witness and the public interest. The right of citizens to their good name should not be imperilled by partisan politicians in search of scapegoats for their mistakes.
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# 15 : Monday 17-10-2011 @ 17:34
 
 
Someone said :
Yes on Judges Pay. No on Inquiries. The wording of the latter amendment is very worrying in that it allows the Oireachtas to determine the balance between the rights of the witness and the public interest. The right of citizens to their good name should not be imperilled by partisan politicians in search of scapegoats for their mistakes.

But is it not already the same in "Tribunals". With the difference (maybe) that Tribunals can last 10 years and may cost half as much as what is investigated, with little power to recoup anything.
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