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Can A Leopard,Or A Tattooed White Supremacist,Every REALLY Change His Spots?
 
# 1 : Monday 31-10-2011 @ 19:15
 
 
If you were an evil person, a rapist, murderer or thug, can you ever really change?

In the news today was an example :notorious former White Supremacist,who not only founded skin head gangs,but acted as a violent "enforcer" has undergone extensive painful treatments to removed race hate tattoos from his face and body,having abandoned his old life

He might be genuine,but is the world too eager to embrace these reformed criminals?
Might it be that conformists are just flattered by the imitation of "goodness" ?

http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16099849
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# 2 : Monday 31-10-2011 @ 19:20
 
 
Of course people can change? Why bother with prisons if we go around thinking people cant change their ways?

It works both ways too, look at Mary Kenny!
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# 3 : Monday 31-10-2011 @ 19:26
 
 
I see your point but I dont think prisons have a lot to do with changing people..if anything its been shown to turn petty crooks in to hardened criminals

I dont find it hard to believe that someone can change a little bit,by degrees,but could someone who is a killer, or a rapist really be capable of reform?

Maybe its easier for a racist to change,because racism is so ridiculous and illogical
thats it really just maturity hes reached,but you cant "grow out" of being a murderer or a rapist surely ?
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# 4 : Monday 31-10-2011 @ 19:39
 
 
Then we may as well just execute everyone who murders and rapes if that's the case.
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# 5 : Monday 31-10-2011 @ 19:47
 
 
I dont know about the world embracing them but it is definitely possible for someone to completely change.
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# 6 : Monday 31-10-2011 @ 19:49
 
 
Its an uncomfortable truth though that incarceration alone doesnt change you.When you think about it, why should it? how does being immersed among hardcore criminals in a brutal,anti establishment environment for years,without any social reference to normality make you a better person?

personally i think the penal system in western countries is flawed anyway.it probably deserves a thread of its own, but i think something akin to a boarding school for adults,where people have to work and study every day would be far better.

i think if you steal or something like that,its terrible of course but its not something genetic or psychological,so you could be trusted again.however if you murder or rape there is clearly something deep inside you which is never really going to go away,it only waits for the oppurtunity to reoccur
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# 7 : Monday 31-10-2011 @ 19:49
 
 
Someone said :
Of course people can change? Why bother with prisons if we go around thinking people cant change their ways?

It works both ways too, look at Mary Kenny!

Being bad is soooo easy, it takes nothing at all to be that way, in fact its quite natural and well within the range of all of us to be that way.
The only thing keeping most of us from being that way is a half decent upbringing, fear of divine retribution, a hefty fine or a spell behind bars. Prior to that it was the hangmans noose for most serious crimes... we still need to be controlled no matter how superior we feel
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# 8 : Monday 31-10-2011 @ 19:52
 
 
Someone said :

we still need to be controlled no matter how superior we feel

id have to agree...the fact that we are still only animals,albeit with the superficial appearance of civilisation,it is only the fear of punishment or ostracism which makes us good.morality is really a spectrum of fear and selfishness, not altruism
( for more rants on that subject i did a blog
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# 9 : Monday 31-10-2011 @ 19:54
 
 
Someone said :
I dont know about the world embracing them but it is definitely possible for someone to completely change.

you see its the willingness of the world to embrace this "new" person which worries me.
i think they are entirely TOO eager to believe these people have changed because it gives us comfort to think "see i was right,my lifestyle,my beliefs,my religion are clearly the correct way to live and now this formerly bad person is good because he is now like me"
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# 10 : Monday 31-10-2011 @ 20:00
 
 
Russia is bringing in chemical castration, or have It was on the news!
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# 11 : Monday 31-10-2011 @ 20:01
 
 
Surely we judge people for who they are now not what they were or who they are going to be, we will always like people who are 'like us'. Its about whether, when you learn what they did in the past, it effects how you perceive that person.
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# 12 : Monday 31-10-2011 @ 20:03
 
 
Someone said :
Surely we judge people for who they are now not what they were or who they are going to be, we will always like people who are 'like us'. Its about whether, when you learn what they did in the past, it effects how you perceive that person.

''The apple never falls far from the tree''
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# 13 : Monday 31-10-2011 @ 20:03
 
 
Someone said :
Russia is bringing in chemical castration, or have It was on the news!

As barbaric as it might first appear,id actually be strongly in favour of chemical castration for sex offenders,as well as sterilisation for drug addicts or other people
but only with the criminals consent...not against their will

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# 14 : Monday 31-10-2011 @ 20:05
 
 
Someone said :

As barbaric as it might first appear,id actually be strongly in favour of chemical castration for sex offenders,as well as sterilisation for drug addicts or other people
but only with the criminals consent...not against their will

Its been done without their consent, why shouldnt it be?
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# 15 : Monday 31-10-2011 @ 20:07
 
 
Someone said :
Surely we judge people for who they are now not what they were or who they are going to be, we will always like people who are 'like us'. Its about whether, when you learn what they did in the past, it effects how you perceive that person.

the best predictor of a persons future behaviour (and hence the possiblilty of reoffending etc) is to look at their past behaviour.its the only thing we can go on really....other wise are we just going to say "Hello Mr Rapist,do you promise not to do this again?"

There is the complicated scenarios where children who murdered (like those animals who killed jamie bulger for example) are given new identities etc,where they could not be judged and could get on with their lives.by that logic they should be good well adjusted citizens,without the burden of their past,but yet they are still the same people on the inside....but now without the caution or the people around them
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