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Should Those Accused Of Rape Be Named & Shamed?
 
# 196 : Saturday 7-4-2018 @ 19:13
 
 
Very good opinion piece by IT journalist Richie Sadlier about the poisionous culture of sport, exalting sportsmen, the culture of alcohol and how a general sense of entitlement directly led to the very sordid and sad Belfast rape trial. He urges a sea change in this culture if a repeat of this is to be avoided.

Link:
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/richie-sadlier-belfast-trial-sho etc ...

Personally, I dearly hope Olding and Jackson never play in professional rugby ever again.
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# 197 : Saturday 7-4-2018 @ 19:22
 
 
Someone said :
Very good opinion piece by IT journalist Richie Sadlier about the poisionous culture of sport, exalting sportsmen, the culture of alcohol and how a general sense of entitlement directly led to the very sordid and sad Belfast rape trial. He urges a sea change in this culture if a repeat of this is to be avoided.

Link:
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/richie-sadlier-belfast-trial-sho etc ...

Personally, I dearly hope Olding and Jackson never play in professional rugby ever again.

They will just not in Ireland.

Main reason for it though is that the team don’t need them anymore. If it was Johnny Sexton, there’d be a hearts and minds campaign leading him to do a staged return to province then country.
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# 198 : Sunday 8-4-2018 @ 00:56
 
 
I accept that i was being antagonistic Jupiter.. Purely for the purposes of backing up an unpopular opinion in the hopes of sparking a debate..
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# 199 : Sunday 8-4-2018 @ 09:16
 
 
Someone said :
I accept that i was being antagonistic Jupiter.. Purely for the purposes of backing up an unpopular opinion in the hopes of sparking a debate..

Thats called trolling
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# 200 : Sunday 8-4-2018 @ 12:01
 
 
Or just having a different opinion.
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# 201 : Sunday 8-4-2018 @ 12:46
 
 
The endless virtue signalling on here is very tiresome.
The new pious.
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# 202 : Sunday 8-4-2018 @ 16:53
 
 
Someone said :
The endless virtue signalling on here is very tiresome.
The new pious.

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# 203 : Monday 9-4-2018 @ 12:34
 
 
Someone said :
Thats called trolling

But insulting people or shouting them down because they do not share your opinion is not trolling..?
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# 204 : Tuesday 10-4-2018 @ 07:51
 
 
It is incredibly difficult to secure a conviction in a rape trial. I served on a jury in my early 20s in a short rape trial,in the four courts and even though the alleged victims case was strong, there was just too much “ reasonable doubt” to secure a conviction and the defendant walked free. To this day I believe he probably raped her.

I myself was sexually assaulted after being drugged in a gay sauna in Brussels about 20 years ago. I can’t remember exactly what happened as I blacked out but I was definitely taken advantage of in a cubicle by about 3 men and had to get an HIV/STI test. Waiting for the results was harrowing to say the least. I was fine but I decided not to report the assault given that I had just come out and that the authorities would not only disbelieve me but I would be on the receiving end of police homophobia. Remember, this was 20 years ago and times were very different. Male rape is much more common than many would suppose. I’ve never disclosed this to anyone except to my sister and my former partner until now.

I think in the Belfast case the young woman was utterly out of her head on booze and was taken advantage of by Jackson and Olding. The WhatsApp messages they exchanged the next day were sickening and serve as a damning indictment of the culture of bravado, entitlement and misogyny in professional sport. I hope their sporting careers are destroyed. I do also think that young women need to stop “hero worshipping” sporting jocks and guys that treat them with total contempt.

The most important thing here is that lessons are learned but I wouldn't hold my breath.



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# 205 : Tuesday 10-4-2018 @ 18:17
 
 
I'm gonna dump all this at once, I've not posted anything on facebook or twitter or whatever, because it's so complex, but trusting our little community here, here's my rant-like opinion;


For me, Putting energy into undermining our country's legal systems, instead of fixing it is a HUGE problem and dangerously misguided.

The jury found the guys not guilty.
If they are not guilty they are not guilty, and if you don't like it, tough shit! The correct course of action for disliking is to educate yourself and then start a revolution from a position of truth, strength and justice.
Trials aren't celebrity big brother; you don't get to phone in at the end and "vote" for a winner with "your opinion" this is specifically why you cannot watch court proceedings on TV.
Arranging "rallies in general" is how you change the minds of big business, because they need to be popular with us so we will obediently give them our money in exchange for their products. If a business is unpopular it fails.
The LAW doesn't need please people, it's not a popularity contest. Don't confuse Revolutions with something that starts and end with public popularity.
Public opinion is a factor, but the changes happen elsewhere, and it is designed intentionally thus, i.e., "Justice is blind", otherwise law would simply be "mob rule".


People go on about "but they are still horrible people" to which the answer is "yes they do indeed seem to be horrible people".
But it is not illegal to be a horrible person, and I find it very depressing seeing so many people rallying "in general" with a tone that those men being found not guilty of rape means "no one believed that SHE thought she was raped" or that morally, those men should've been responsible for what they did to her (it is ovbious to a brick wall that they were morally responsible for what they've done).


The correct course of action (IMO);
If we as a nation are disgusted that these men could do this to a young girl (and we seem to be!) and for that not to be a crime, then we need to make it so that doing what they did that IS a crime. The rallies ought to be "this WAS rape" or "this ought to be deemed rape" not "I believe her".

It is going down the wrong avenue to push for popular support or undermining the result of a trial adjudicated by a qualified judge (who was female btw, but that's neither-here-nor-there) and perfectly normal jury with a message like "I believe her".
Our Country's legal system deemed it not to be rape, that happened, and it is our law.
Tough shit if that makes you feel bad, but if that makes you feel bad and you wish it was otherwise, then we need to change our country's legal system to define rape in a way which includes what this girl went through.
It is not a question of believing her, or popular outrage, but one of legal definition of sexual assault and responsibility.

You FIX legal system not undermine them. If this need explaining to you, then you're a moron, and no one will take your views on trials seriously, even if they are well intended and morally righteous.
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# 206 : Tuesday 10-4-2018 @ 18:37
 
 
The sentencing System in Ireland is completely fucked.. I'm not sure if the Judges hands are tied due to legislation or if they are all a bunch of decrepit old morons from the 1950's.. This guy systematically raped three young girls. His punishment 7.5 years probably reduced to 4 for good behaviour.. How is that a punishment..
https://www.rte.ie/news/connacht/2018/0409/953312-courts-rape/
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# 207 : Tuesday 10-4-2018 @ 18:49
 
 
well, clearly that's how long, as a State, we think rapists needs in prison to mend their ways. Let's endeavor to have this changed.


Also, Justice is "medicine" not "vengeance".

The punishment for any crime is supposed to be what's needed to correct and rehabilitate the criminal's error, not to 'punish' them to the satisfaction of the victim.
Which, if you think the latter, you are a moron and a cancer to civilization.
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# 208 : Tuesday 10-4-2018 @ 18:56
 
 
The amount of 'Rehabilitated' prisoners with 200 previous convictions committing crimes in this country is shocking.. Me, the law abiding citizen is the cancer on society..?

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# 209 : Wednesday 11-4-2018 @ 00:15
 
 
The sentencing regime here is shockingly lenient. But I’d wager it’s not being handed down by doddery old judges whose careers started in the 1950s but much younger, socially liberal type judges who went through the legal system in the 1980s and 1990s.

How anyone with over 100 previous convictions can get a suspended sentence for pretty serious crimes is beyond my comprehension. I’m not advocating a draconian system like the three strikes and it’s life like in the USA but some balance and common sense must prevail.

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# 210 : Wednesday 11-4-2018 @ 03:24
 
 
Someone said :
The amount of 'Rehabilitated' prisoners with 200 previous convictions committing crimes in this country is shocking.. Me, the law abiding citizen is the cancer on society..?

Yeah? and what number is that? do you know it? what is officially "a shocking number" of previously convicted criminals, re-offending in your opinion? would 10 be shocking? 100? 10,000?

ALso I didn't say anything about you, I said
The punishment for any crime is supposed to be what's needed to correct and rehabilitate the criminal's error, not to 'punish' them to the satisfaction of the victim.
Which, if you think the latter, you are a moron and a cancer to civilization.

If you do subscribe to the latter, then you're calling yourself a moron.

Also, being law abiding isn't something to be proud of; you're supposed to be law abiding. The men in the rape case (who were found not guilty) are "law abiding" and they're obviously absolute cuntfucks of human beings.
Our bankers were law abiding.
Being law abiding means nothing.
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