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Should Those Accused Of Rape Be Named & Shamed?
 
# 61 : Friday 2-2-2018 @ 20:02
 
 
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Well I don't think they've denied having sex so the texts don't really prove much outside of the fact that they're misogynistic prats.

It's unbelievably distasteful the players' support but rugby is loved here.... if he's convicted they'll act appropriately surprised and won't be criticized beyond a single one column critique in the Irish Times.

The Irish times knows where it's bread is buttered on. Their readership have a huge rugby following and despite the so-called D4 trendy liberal types who are IT readers usually being all for equality (on the surface at least) when it comes to rugby, principles go out the door. Circling the wagons, basically.

As for the texts, I was referring more to the alleged victims texts to a friend discussing going to the police and that it was her word word against Ulster rugby stars with powerful connections.
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# 62 : Friday 2-2-2018 @ 21:24
 
 
If the accuser gets anyonmity then the accused should get it too .

The basics of consent are fairly straightforward .
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# 63 : Friday 2-2-2018 @ 21:55
 
 
People have been accused of some serious stuff, presumed guilty by the public and cleared in a court of law. Legalizing, Naming and shaming will lead to innocent people being lynched or murdered.
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# 64 : Saturday 3-2-2018 @ 00:25
 
 
Is it a coincidence that 2 other rugby players also in a heavy bromance spitroasted a girl publicly? Even filming it...

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# 65 : Saturday 3-2-2018 @ 00:46
 
 
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Is it a coincidence that 2 other rugby players also in a heavy bromance spitroasted a girl publicly? Even filming it...

who?
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# 66 : Saturday 3-2-2018 @ 11:18
 
 
Someone said :
who?

2 Munster lads ...I'm sure there was a thread here I'll have a look
It was called rugby thread
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# 67 : Saturday 3-2-2018 @ 19:57
 
 
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What I find outrageous is the 9 men, 3 women on the jury. How the hell was that allowed.

This confuses me. It seems like you're saying the gender of the jury members matter, but that would only matters if those people were sexist surely?

For example, if I were in that jury, I would be offended by someone flagging me as a "male" suggesting that therefore my judgment is compromised on a rape case.

It doesn't matter what the gender of the jury is, if they're all male or all female. Expecting gender bias seems sexist to me.
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# 68 : Monday 5-2-2018 @ 10:16
 
 
Someone said :
who?

There was an alleged threesome video about 4 years ago that someone (the indo?) said went viral but nobody ever saw it
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# 69 : Monday 5-2-2018 @ 11:18
 
 
Someone said :
There was an alleged threesome video about 4 years ago that someone (the indo?) said went viral but nobody ever saw it

You mean you didn't?
However the girl involved posted about it on Facebook and then went abroad and the rugby club members who spread the video got a roasting for doing it
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# 70 : Monday 5-2-2018 @ 17:14
 
 
Someone said :
You mean you didn't?
However the girl involved posted about it on Facebook and then went abroad and the rugby club members who spread the video got a roasting for doing it

No.

The video allegedly "went viral" -
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# 71 : Thursday 15-3-2018 @ 10:33
 
 
Someone said :
This confuses me. It seems like you're saying the gender of the jury members matter, but that would only matters if those people were sexist surely?

For example, if I were in that jury, I would be offended by someone flagging me as a "male" suggesting that therefore my judgment is compromised on a rape case.

It doesn't matter what the gender of the jury is, if they're all male or all female. Expecting gender bias seems sexist to me.

Following that logic, there is no need to aim at bringing more women to the Dáil: it is suggesting that chauvinistic pigs who have co-opted one another for the last centuries might be biased. Surely not! They can represent the laddettes as well as anyone, even if they are all 65 year-old farmers from Kerry.

Gender balance in a rape case is not about one individual male being a chauvinist or not. After all a woman could be a conservative religious who believes abused children should be punished and raped girls were looking for it.

Gender balance is about increasing a statistical balance, by being to a certain extend representative in the choice of "our peers".

So what would be interesting is to find out the gender balance of the initial jury pool: either is was balanced to start with, or it started unbalanced.
Then to find out how the jury selection removed more men or more women, proportionally, and in which proportion.

In other words, work out how statistically representatively this Jury was formed, knowing that it starts with a "random" selection from the Voter's registry.

Is the voter's registry gender balanced to start with?
If you started with 15 women and 15 men in the random panel, and ended up with only 3 women... what were the main reasons: they were excused more often, they were dismissed more often (by whom ? The judge, the Defense side or the Plaintiff side?)

I am sure if the jury was made of only 3 men, a lot of people who say it is a (man)-witch hunt, and a jury of feminists or some similar crap. It would probably be front page of the Sun!
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# 72 : Monday 19-3-2018 @ 19:10
 
 
I know this thread has moved on a bit since the comments about Rory Best's attendance at the t the trial. But I hope people have noted the Judge's clarification that the reason he was there is that he was instructed by Counsel for one of the parties to be there.
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# 73 : Thursday 22-3-2018 @ 21:46
 
 
Mork allegedly was porking Mindy on the show. The things he has supposed to have done
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# 74 : Wednesday 28-3-2018 @ 14:00
 
 
Not guilty x 4. 3 hrs 45 mins to reach unanimous decision of jury. 8 men and 3 women.

But this is the wrong decision according to the legal absentee experts of social media, who seem to be mostly composed of teenage to early 20 something girls who are fond of taking photos of themselves. They even have a tagline.
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# 75 : Wednesday 28-3-2018 @ 14:06
 
 
I didn't want to comment at all while the trial was ongoing but, justice has been served here.. The Woman herself should now be tried for making false accusations of rape something which destroys lives..
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