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Irish Water - New State Body
 
# 31 : Wednesday 18-4-2012 @ 13:46
 
 
Did anyone else hear that a proposal has been put forward that the water charge will be charged based on the value of the property you reside in, at 2.50 per thousand per month.

So if you live in a 100 grand house your bill will be 250 euro per month?

That seems both expensive and far fetched!
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# 32 : Wednesday 18-4-2012 @ 14:16
 
 
Necessary to prevent the flagrant waste of a precious natural resource. But I agree with Gollum that it should not be based on the value of the property. I don't agree with a flat rate charge as it constitutes a regressive measure.
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# 33 : Wednesday 18-4-2012 @ 14:39
 
 
Someone said :

So if you live in a 100 grand house your bill will be 250 euro per month?


Well I'd like to see them trying that.
I foresee Leinster House being burnt to the ground.
Can you provide a link?
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# 34 : Wednesday 18-4-2012 @ 14:41
 
 
Someone said :
Necessary to prevent the flagrant waste of a precious natural resource. But I agree with Gollum that it should not be based on the value of the property. I don't agree with a flat rate charge as it constitutes a regressive measure.

Is water scarce?
If so, why?
Perhaps because of pollution.
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# 35 : Wednesday 18-4-2012 @ 14:45
 
 
I look forward to Water Ireland being privatised, asset stripped and forced into examinership like Tony O'Reilly did to Eircom. This'll make someone very wealthy.
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# 36 : Wednesday 18-4-2012 @ 15:35
 
 
Someone said :

Is water scarce?
If so, why?
Perhaps because of pollution.

A multiciplicity of reasons including waste, pollution etc. Passing the buck is not the answer.
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# 37 : Wednesday 18-4-2012 @ 16:00
 
 
Someone said :
A multiciplicity of reasons including waste, pollution etc. Passing the buck is not the answer.

Why not focus on minimising the waste and pollution?
Big corporations wouldn't like that though because it would reduce their profits.
So let's make the peasants pay more.
It's a win-win for the corporations.
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# 38 : Wednesday 18-4-2012 @ 16:09
 
 
Someone said :

Why not focus on minimising the waste and pollution?
Big corporations wouldn't like that though because it would reduce their profits.
So let's make the peasants pay more.
It's a win-win for the corporations.

Waste is not the exclusive preserve of the corporations. Households share the responsibility and should therefore share in the costs. And we remains a relatively wealthy society. - certainly not a people worthy of the "peasant" monicker.
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# 39 : Wednesday 18-4-2012 @ 16:15
 
 
Someone said :
Waste is not the exclusive preserve of the corporations. Households share the responsibility and should therefore share in the costs. And we remains a relatively wealthy society. - certainly not a people worthy of the "peasant" monicker.

What are people's income tax/vat/road/rates paying for, If they werent paying off unsecured bondholders for a private debt and wasting money on their inflated wages/pensions/numbers. They might have argument, but we know what its about!
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# 40 : Wednesday 18-4-2012 @ 16:35
 
 
Someone said :

What are people's income tax/vat/road/rates paying for,

True but metering - provided it is implemented progressively and with due account of usage as opposed to charging everyone the same - offers the laudible prospect of distributing the burden more equitably. The present system unfairly penalises all for the excesses of some. Furthermore your post is flawed in that it wrongly assumes taxation is ring-fenced to pay for water-provision and maintenance. This is not the case.
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# 41 : Wednesday 18-4-2012 @ 16:57
 
 
Someone said :
Waste is not the exclusive preserve of the corporations. Households share the responsibility and should therefore share in the costs.

What I would like to know is - how much water waste is industrial/commercial and how much is personal - I suspect industrial/commercial would be much much much higher
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# 42 : Wednesday 18-4-2012 @ 17:01
 
 
Someone said :
True but metering - provided it is implemented progressively and with due account of usage as opposed to charging everyone the same - offers the laudible prospect of distributing the burden more equitably.

Not so sure about that. So the cost of water is currently 1bn paid for through income tax - You bring in water metering and suddenly who pays much more for water than ever before? The poor, low earners, working class - that's who. This is a redistribution of wealth from the poor to the rich!
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# 43 : Wednesday 18-4-2012 @ 17:06
 
 
40% of waste water is in the system itself that's €400 million down the drain.
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# 44 : Wednesday 18-4-2012 @ 17:19
 
 
Someone said :
40% of waste water is in the system itself that's €400 million down the drain.

Out of curiosity where are those figures from?
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# 45 : Wednesday 18-4-2012 @ 17:28
 
 
Someone said :
This is a redistribution of wealth from the poor to the rich!


That's what absolutely everything is about these days.
(It was probably always this way.)
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