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Australia Says No
 
# 1 : Thursday 20-9-2012 @ 00:24
 
 
It's disappointing to see that one of the world's most socially progressive democracies has rejected gay marriage in a vote in parliament.

The ruling Labour Party allowed a free vote, enabling members to vote in accordance with their conscience and not along party lines. The PM herself voted against the proposal. This was against a backdrop of overwhelming support for gay marriage among the general population of Oz, in keeping with their culture of "good on you mate".

It will be interesting to see if political parties here will adopt a similar "free vote" when our time comes.

(Perhaps someone would be kind enough to post the relevant links - I'm not technically very savvy - my apologies).
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# 2 : Thursday 20-9-2012 @ 00:25
 
 
Edit: the dominant faction of the ALP is "Labor Right" so I am not that surprised by this. The PM is from the Left of the party so her decision is a surprise though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_Right This faction has historically been criticised for being beholden to the Papacy.
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# 3 : Thursday 20-9-2012 @ 00:29
 
 
Someone said :
It's disappointing to see that one of the world's most socially progressive democracies has rejected gay marriage in a vote in parliament.

Out of interest how would you define "socially progressive"? In terms of race and immigration I would never call Australia socially progressive. Also some Australians can be very macho and homophobic.
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# 4 : Thursday 20-9-2012 @ 00:31
 
 
socially progressive
Why, female PM?
Australia is a very right wing country politically.
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# 5 : Thursday 20-9-2012 @ 00:41
 
 
I would tend to define it in a legal context, where they see the function and role of the legislature (including government) as being to remove the barriers to people exercising their human rights. Many of the world's legislatures will look towards Australia and Canada when it comes to establishing legal precedence (even Ireland) - they take the view that if the Ozzies allow it then it must be ok.

Homophobia and racism can be everywhere - I have never found Australians to be particularly homophobic. Was at the Mardi Gras in Sydney a few years back - now THAT is a party!
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# 6 : Thursday 20-9-2012 @ 00:53
 
 
While living in Australia, John Howard was PM.
While i was thankful of the agreement between Ireland and Australia that ensured anyone from either country on a via would be looked after should they need medical assistance (espicially as i worked my way from hospital to hospital) the sight of people trying to seeking genuine refuge being turned away (having come by boat) and throwing themselves into the sea, made me thankful i was white and European.

I dont see how the world looks to Australia and Canada? Surly with them being British extensions others look towards England first?

I was at the Mardi gras in 2001, it was great fun. However being white, Australian and Gay is a very different thing than being Black and/or non-european.

Perhaps its a different place now, but reports from my friends living there would suggest there is still a long way to go before Australia is a leading liberal light in the world.
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# 7 : Thursday 20-9-2012 @ 09:03
 
 
I would imagine that it would be a free vote over here, It would be interesting to see who votes no in our free " society "
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# 8 : Thursday 20-9-2012 @ 19:16
 
 

Australian politician, who linked bestiality with equal marriage, to attend UK Conservative event

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/09/19/australian-politician-who-li etc ...
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# 9 : Thursday 20-9-2012 @ 20:05
 
 
Australia is socially progressive? Never heard them described as that before.
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# 10 : Thursday 20-9-2012 @ 20:42
 
 
Someone said :
Australia is socially progressive? Never heard them described as that before.

I have - in terms of healthcare, attitudes to mental health, disability and health service
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# 11 : Thursday 20-9-2012 @ 22:06
 
 
Someone said :

I have - in terms of healthcare, attitudes to mental health, disability and health service

You could say the same about Italy.
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# 12 : Thursday 20-9-2012 @ 22:06
 
 
Someone said :

I have - in terms of healthcare, attitudes to mental health, disability and health service

You could say the same about Italy.
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# 13 : Thursday 20-9-2012 @ 22:11
 
 
Someone said :

You could say the same about Italy.

I don't necessarily agree with what that person said to me (as in Oz is really socially progressive). From my limited experiences of a 6 week trip to Australia and from stuff I've read I think Australia has quite a number of problems with racism, sexism, homophobia. But I do get what he was saying about healthcare and disabilities - I've read quite a good bit about disability advocacy and Australia is really really progressive in that area.
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# 14 : Thursday 20-9-2012 @ 22:18
 
 
Are we confusing socialism with civil rights?

Sure everyone wants the government to pay for health care and take care of the disabled etc., but those same people may gladly build a pyre of faggots.
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# 15 : Thursday 20-9-2012 @ 22:24
 
 
Someone said :
Are we confusing socialism with civil rights?

Sure everyone wants the government to pay for health care and take care of the disabled etc., but those same people may gladly build a pyre of faggots.

Thats why I asked for a definition of "socially progressive". Oh and not everyone wants the government to pay for health care by the way. Also the way Australia looks at disability is not really the charity of looking after people with disabilities - it's more of an emancipatory and empowerment role
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