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How Will You Vote In The Seanad Referendum?
 
 Poll Choices 52 Total Votes
32.69% / 17 Votes
63.46% / 33 Votes
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# 1 : Monday 10-6-2013 @ 10:29
 
 
I will vote for abolition. What about you?

I didn't include dont know because that way as people make up their minds they can vote yes or no.

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# 2 : Monday 10-6-2013 @ 10:31
 
 
I suggest 2 no's:
- NO, I want to retain as is
- NO, but I want it reformed
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# 3 : Monday 10-6-2013 @ 10:32
 
 
Someone said :
I suggest 2 no's:
- NO, I want to retain as is
- NO, but I want it reformed

That would just confuse things. I phrased it as above so people will understand that a yes will definitely abolish the Seanad.
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# 4 : Monday 10-6-2013 @ 10:39
 
 
I'm voting no. There have been numerous instances over the years where the Dáil has rubberstamped some legislation that required serious rework in the Seanad. It needs reform though, perhaps some downsizing, removal of party politics and politicians, real experts in chosen fields - not a retirement home for ex-TDs or a waiting house for those who haven't yet been elected to the Dáil.
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# 5 : Monday 10-6-2013 @ 10:39
 
 
Someone said :
That would just confuse things. I phrased it as above so people will understand that a yes will definitely abolish the Seanad.

But the gvt's stance on the "B plan" in case of NO is not clear.
YES is clear, as in your poll.
NO is not so clear, there are 2 NO's...

But you are the boss, it is your poll. As long as you are aware of the issue, you can do as you wish. I only played the role of the Seanad
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# 6 : Monday 10-6-2013 @ 10:41
 
 
Someone said :

But the gvt's stance on the "B plan" in case of NO is not clear.
YES is clear, as in your poll.
NO is not so clear, there are 2 NO's...

But you are the boss, it is your poll. As long as you are aware of the issue, you can do as you wish. I only played the role of the Seanad

Well at the very least it's clear that if you vote no you don't want abolition yes?
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# 7 : Monday 10-6-2013 @ 10:42
 
 
Someone said :
I'm voting no. There have been numerous instances over the years where the Dáil has rubberstamped some legislation that required serious rework in the Seanad. It needs reform though, perhaps some downsizing, removal of party politics and politicians, real experts in chosen fields - not a retirement home for ex-TDs or a waiting house for those who haven't yet been elected to the Dáil.

Downsizing?
Any smaller and it is a committee...
There are only 60 seats, that's a bit more than 2 classrooms of transition year students.
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# 8 : Monday 10-6-2013 @ 10:44
 
 
Someone said :
Well at the very least it's clear that if you vote no you don't want abolition yes?

Some would rather vote NO if it is not going to be reformed, but otherwise would like to see it reformed.
So they might have the following preferences:
- NO, reform it
- Yes, otherwise abolish
- NO, keep it as it is

These people will only vote YES if they believe that there is no B plan to reform the Seanad if it fails to be abolished.
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# 9 : Monday 10-6-2013 @ 10:50
 
 
Someone said :

Some would rather vote NO if it is not going to be reformed, but otherwise would like to see it reformed.
So they might have the following preferences:
- NO, reform it
- Yes, otherwise abolish
- NO, keep it as it is

These people will only vote YES if they believe that there is no B plan to reform the Seanad if it fails to be abolished.

But the legal position is that a no vote means the Seanad stays, at least until a future referendum abolishing it. So in fact this is a referendum on abolition not reform. They've had 76 yrs to reform it. Ahern did nothing about Mary O'Rourke's 2004 Seanad reform report so why do you expect things to change if we vote no? They have't even implemented the provisions of the 1979 Seanad reform referendum which allowed the Oireachtas to expand the university panel beyond the present university franchise to other universities. If they won't even implement a reform passed by 93% of the electorate 34 yrs ago what makes you think they would implement a reform which doesn't yet exist?
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# 10 : Monday 10-6-2013 @ 11:01
 
 
I think I will vote no.
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# 11 : Monday 10-6-2013 @ 11:09
 
 
@eamonn1980,
as I said, I am just offering an option to give a better granularity.
After my 2 turns of giving my opinion on the matter, and the amendment having been considered and rejected, the bill is passed as originally mooted
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# 12 : Monday 10-6-2013 @ 12:11
 
 
get rid of it, its passed it sell by date, the dail can take up some slack i.e work longer hours and shorter holiers to do they things the senate does
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# 13 : Monday 10-6-2013 @ 12:32
 
 
Love the irony of voting for a "won't vote" on a voting poll.
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# 14 : Monday 10-6-2013 @ 12:34
 
 
Someone said :
Love the irony of voting for a "won't vote" on a voting poll.

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# 15 : Monday 10-6-2013 @ 12:36
 
 
I never liked them, although the 'Theme from Harrys Game' is quite good.
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