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# 1 : Monday 10-6-2013 @ 18:36
 
 
Don't expect anyone to agree with me on here but I think it's ridiculous sentencing that company director, Gareth Hopkins, to 15 years (last two suspended) for importing cocaine. I say this in light of the sentences given out for rape, manslaughter and other violent crime for example just listening to the case of Brian Shaughnessy who just got 6 years (last year suspended) for raping one of his employees. The guy I'm talking about has a degree from Trinity, has been a director of several companies and presumably employs people, it's not like he's a career criminal. Even if he got only 5 years I'm sure he wouldn't reoffend. Plus he's only 33 and has a small child, it doesn't serve any purpose to lock him away for 13-15 years, he'll be irreversibly damaged by then. And what about the child, that's his life ruined.
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# 2 : Monday 10-6-2013 @ 18:47
 
 
Someone said :
Don't expect anyone to agree with me on here but I think it's ridiculous sentencing that company director, Gareth Hopkins, to 15 years (last two suspended) for importing cocaine. I say this in light of the sentences given out for rape, manslaughter and other violent crime for example just listening to the case of Brian Shaughnessy who just got 6 years (last year suspended) for raping one of his employees. The guy I'm talking about has a degree from Trinity, has been a director of several companies and presumably employs people, it's not like he's a career criminal. Even if he got only 5 years I'm sure he wouldn't reoffend. Plus he's only 33 and has a small child, it doesn't serve any purpose to lock him away for 13-15 years, he'll be irreversibly damaged by then. And what about the child, that's his life ruined.

He was involved in the importation of tens of millions of euro of drugs, not just a bit for himself. Serves him right. I don't see what his degree or job has to do with it. I do agree its heavy relative to other crimes you mention but I'd say that as more a function of their leniency than him being treated harshly.
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# 3 : Monday 10-6-2013 @ 18:48
 
 
I agree with streetfighter but the rapist should have gotten just as long. There is a strange leniency in our criminal justice sysyem where sexual offences are concerned.
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# 4 : Monday 10-6-2013 @ 19:00
 
 
I think its good he got 15 years... who cares if he went to trinity!! it will send a message out to those who are doing the same... but he wont do 15 years, it'll be 5 at most
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# 5 : Monday 10-6-2013 @ 19:01
 
 
i was only talking about this today strangely enough. i remember someone getting 9 years for burning down someones curtains because they wouldnt pay them!!! rapists,murderers and well known gangsters dont get that. oh,unless theyve been good.
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# 6 : Monday 10-6-2013 @ 19:04
 
 
He is a gangster if he is importing millions of euros worth of cocaine, it just so happens that he is educated and from a good background. This doesn't stop him from being a scumbag.
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# 7 : Monday 10-6-2013 @ 19:12
 
 
Just because the man jailed for 15 years is a TCD graduate and from a middle class background doesn't mean that his crime is worthy of a more lenient sentence. I think drug laws in this country need radical reform including legalisation of some drugs but that's besides the point - importing huge quantities of illegal substances is a serious crime and this sentence reflects that. If anything, the approach to "white collar" crime in Ireland is laughable - look at the rogue bankers/developers and how they are still living it up in exile.

However, I will agree that criminal sentencing in Ireland is often wildly inconsistent and at times downright unfair and bizarre - like cases of rapists getting very short or even suspended sentences and that chap who was jailed for 6 years for importing garlic under false pretences to evade import duty.

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# 8 : Monday 10-6-2013 @ 19:16
 
 
the judges are asleep most of the way through certain trials.
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# 9 : Monday 10-6-2013 @ 19:26
 
 
I think he was terribly greedy and didn't expect to be caught. As in I think he made a terrible mistake unlike those who are too lazy too work and think it is their right to commit crime. Surely the chances of him reoffending should have been considered. And I listed his education and career to highlight that he was before this a useful, hard working person in contrast to someone who is better off off the street. Plus it was only cocaine, I'd say at least 45% of the people who buy that are middle class, if he was in a circle where cocaine had been normalised it might not have seemed like that big a stretch to start selling it.
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# 10 : Monday 10-6-2013 @ 19:27
 
 
There seems to be massive disparities between sentencing for relatively similar crimes
among the judiciary in our legal system (probably in all western ones to be fair)

Totally agree that people should NEVER be excused from punishment just because they happen to have benefitted from a middle class education, whether through their own virtue of not.

Unlike in parts of the UK, there is less of a political football element of it and more a case of overcrowding in prisons etc.

I couldn't count the amount of anecdotal stories I've heard of people whove already done time getting bizarrely lenient non custodial sentences.

I know its slightly off topic but remember that show which was on RTE not so long ago filmed inside wheatfield prison and that other "open prison" which looked more like a holiday camp.... kind of makes my blood boil
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# 11 : Monday 10-6-2013 @ 19:30
 
 
Someone said :
Don't expect anyone to agree with me on here but I think it's ridiculous sentencing that company director, Gareth Hopkins, to 15 years (last two suspended) for importing cocaine. I say this in light of the sentences given out for rape, manslaughter and other violent crime for example just listening to the case of Brian Shaughnessy who just got 6 years (last year suspended) for raping one of his employees. The guy I'm talking about has a degree from Trinity, has been a director of several companies and presumably employs people, it's not like he's a career criminal. Even if he got only 5 years I'm sure he wouldn't reoffend. Plus he's only 33 and has a small child, it doesn't serve any purpose to lock him away for 13-15 years, he'll be irreversibly damaged by then. And what about the child, that's his life ruined.

He could hardly have been less involved in this. It took detailed planning and he was at the heart of it. The fact that he's an old Trinity boy should have nothing to do with it, or are lengthy sentences only for working class criminals ?
The comparison with the rape sentencing is less valid than that of those caught in the sea off west Cork a few years ago and who got,as far as I remember, much longer sentences.The child could be much better off without having a scumbag like that in his life.
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# 12 : Monday 10-6-2013 @ 19:41
 
 
But apart from deterance (which obviously isn't working) what is going to be achieved by taking 15 years of his life away from him and his family. He is a living, breathing human being after all, 15 is just a number but if you think about it it's a really long time. As civilised people we shouldn't just do things for the sake of punishment, we should try to rise above our feelings and objectively look at what really is the best solution.
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# 13 : Monday 10-6-2013 @ 19:58
 
 
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Plus it was only cocaine, I

Oh god!

Plus it was 30 MILLION of the stuff. That's really going all in on the trade. And a mistake? Did he think he was bringing in chalk? Throw the cunt away. Yeah he could have been useful to society, but he chose to be harmful!
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# 14 : Monday 10-6-2013 @ 20:10
 
 
I'm not saying I think he should have walked free but a life is a life, I think it is morally unjust to punish someone so harshly for this particular crime. I think there are different types of crimes and they deserve different types of punishment.
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And this is off topic but how many people on here do you think have taken cocaine or similar drugs. How hypocritical is it to separate the two in our minds.
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# 15 : Monday 10-6-2013 @ 20:12
 
 
Someone said :
I'm not saying I think he should have walked free but a life is a life, I think it is morally unjust to punish someone so harshly for this particular crime. I think there are different types of crimes and they deserve different types of punishment.
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I agree. But I would give a rapist more, not him less.
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