Yep, I say post 1985 when the Dunne family sold the pub.

Hello Sam/Carax

Come Here To Me is a brilliant site. It has made me appreciate the city I left many years ago. Have read the article and commented.

All the best.

Hi Sam
Hope Tony gave you good insight to Bartley Dunnes and Rices.
Thanks for the email and contact.
Read the final piece excellent piece of writing.
Great to keep history alive.

Cheers MC

What a great article.

Well your memory is playing tricks on you Uranian. The Pyg was full of goths from 1981 on. Afterwards on a Friday Night the crowd went to the Afro Spot. The pyg would possible have been gay friendly but most certainly was not a gay bar.Music covered Joy Division, The Cure, Banshees, and all the old punk stuff. There was certainly a cross over with Bartley Dunnes as well. Everyone and their mother knew BD's was a gay bar at this stage. BD's was a bit like The George of late, the kind of pub where str8s liked to drink in a "gay" bar with their "gay" friends because it was kind of cool. I bet it pissed of lots of gays, just like I know alot of gays were fed up with str8's invading the George. BTW Carax, It was the Pyg long before it was The William Tell

The William Tell was the first pub I got served in - when I was 16.
Bartley Dunnes opposite had been demolished by that stage.

Apparently Rock Hudson was in Rice's and picked up a guy there when he
was in Ireland in the late 1960s.

My aunt was involved in makeing a coat for Rock Hudson when he was in Ireland and all the girls in the tailors wrote their names inside of it

Were they devastated when they found out he was a coat lifter??

they were girls at the time and most likely moved on in their affections - but was anyone really shocked?

My parents were horrified!!! they had encouraged us to view Doris and himself as role models!! quel surprise, gay son and daughter! happy family mom and dad.
Oh, were the girls really underage working in a sweatshop somewhere in the Liberties.

I am sensing a little anger! do you want to talk about it?

I was working in a factory at 14 in Dublin - no big deal - well not for me!

In the context of the times it would have been. No offence intended as I am also of that time.

A tad off-topic - was it common knowledge that Rock Hudson was a homosexual
before his AIDS diagnosis in 1985? I didn't think it was.

Didn't he even marry his Hollywood secretary in the early 60s as a means of concealing his true identity?

Anyone here rememeber Shaft on Ely Place? I was never there myself but my ex used to frequent this gay bar back in the early 90s.

I understand the studio forced this on him as a cover. It was well known in the hollywood set though!