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Pope Francis Named Man Of The Year... By Biggest Gay Magazine
 
# 1 : Wednesday 18-12-2013 @ 18:23
 
 
As American gay magazine, The Advocate, names Pope Francis ‘Person of the Year’,do queers have selective amnesia as we try and embrace any even remotely less anti gay
conservative figure ?

Or is this a good thing all around?

http://gcn.ie/Papal_Fallacy
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# 2 : Wednesday 18-12-2013 @ 18:29
 
 
good thing all around!
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# 3 : Wednesday 18-12-2013 @ 18:39
 
 
Nothing good about it really.
So a rich guy invites a few poor guys to have dinner with him. Wow.
Person of the year.
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# 4 : Wednesday 18-12-2013 @ 19:02
 
 
It's unlikley to change the Vatican policy on Gay people. New person and perhaps a slightly different approach but I think that he is not going to stand up there and say that it's ok to be gay and accept all that goes with being gay.
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# 5 : Wednesday 18-12-2013 @ 19:11
 
 
I think he's an interesting character and I do believe he wants to listen to younger people in the church. But there's just too many old blokes in that place to really make a change.

I wouldn't call him anti gay though.
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# 6 : Wednesday 18-12-2013 @ 19:18
 
 
He's a blast of fresh air compared to the previous pope who seemed more concerned with ceremony and pomp than righting the many wrongs that ail the Church.

When he said "If a person is gay and seeks God and has goodwill, who am I to judge him?" it was the most positive thing I'd heard from the Church in years. With this guy in charge there is at least some hope that the Church will begin the long process of modernisation.
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# 7 : Wednesday 18-12-2013 @ 20:10
 
 
Quotes from Pope Francis about marriage equality in Argentina:

“Let’s not be naïve, we’re not talking about a simple political battle; it is a destructive pretension against the plan of God. We are not talking about a mere bill, but rather a machination of the Father of Lies that seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God.”

“The Argentine people will face a situation whose outcome can seriously harm the family… At stake is the identity and survival of the family: father, mother and children.

“At stake are the lives of many children who will be discriminated against in advance, and deprived of their human development given by a father and a mother and willed by God. At stake is the total rejection of God’s law engraved in our hearts.”

Granted, he's said nice things about not judging gay people more recently, but there's been no change to the Church's (or his) position that gay relationships are destructive, disordered and harmful to children.

I don't think this was deserved.
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# 8 : Wednesday 18-12-2013 @ 20:31
 
 
Do you know if it was the 'readers' of the magazine who named Pope Francis, "Man of the Year", or the editorial board ? who if it was them, have achieved their aim of increasing awareness of their publication.

Not a fan of popes myself - but if he is making small steps towards a more open and inclusive church then i wont knock him for this - but any major changes towards gay marriage, contaception, abortion, woman priests will all be years away yet.
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# 9 : Wednesday 18-12-2013 @ 21:10
 
 
Someone said :
Do you know if it was the 'readers' of the magazine who named Pope Francis, "Man of the Year", or the editorial board ? who if it was them, have achieved their aim of increasing awareness of their publication.

Not a fan of popes myself - but if he is making small steps towards a more open and inclusive church then i wont knock him for this - but any major changes towards gay marriage, contaception, abortion, woman priests will all be years away yet.

The readers' vote was for an Egyptian general, and the decision by the editors to not make him the TPOTY was objected to by his supporters.
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# 10 : Wednesday 18-12-2013 @ 21:47
 
 
Time will tell and he deserves a chance. You have to remember that prior to becoming Pope he had to toe the party line of Benedict and John Paul. He's his own man now. Having said that so far it's style over substance on moral issues at least. He is certainly more approachable and likeable as a person, and more concerned with the plight of the poor and less obsessed with gay issues. But actual changes in doctrine are required. He should issue a Papal Encyclical condemning homophobia. That would be a good start.
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# 11 : Wednesday 18-12-2013 @ 22:35
 
 
There is a long piece of analysis in the usually excellent New Yorker magazine about Pope Francis's first year, which may interest readers of this thread.

It is available at
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2013/12/23/131223fa_fact_carro etc ...
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# 12 : Thursday 19-12-2013 @ 00:52
 
 
Someone said :

The readers' vote was for an Egyptian general, and the decision by the editors to not make him the TPOTY was objected to by his supporters.

Was that Time Magazine or The Advocate?
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# 13 : Thursday 19-12-2013 @ 19:11
 
 
That was probably time magazine as they had a reader vote.
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# 14 : Thursday 19-12-2013 @ 21:10
 
 
Someone said :

Was that Time Magazine or The Advocate?

Time's vote.
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# 15 : Sunday 22-12-2013 @ 12:59
 
 
Im genuinely surprised about how little backlash there has been against the Advocate for this, id have thought in the week following it there would have been a
u turn or protest but the silence is deafening.....
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