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Make Drinking Whilst Pregnant Illegal
 
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# 16 : Wednesday 5-2-2014 @ 22:26
 
 
Sorry. This internet connection is hell.

My point is, if you believe that it should be illegal for pregnant mothers to consume alcohol, you don't get to move straight to enforcement issues and you ESPECIALLY don't move straight to enforcement issues when what you're basing it off of is "what you think".

If you want a world of even a fair amount of liberalism you need to first justify on what ground "we" may strip a freedom off of a demograph that is a living, breathing human equal to ourselves and clearly capable of making decisions individually and for themselves (in this case pregnant women).

And secondly you also need to justify how it might be OK that "opinion" may shape law (just as easily as say, respectable research and science) in the light of the historical trend that in almost any given example of activists fighting for rights, it is again and again the "opinions" of Churches, Men, the unenlightened, Extremist groups and backwards political parties, that form the shape of their opposition.

Once you do then you can go from " I think this" to "but here is a practical issue with re-enforcing it as law"

If a pregnant mother needs the threat of being legally sentenced for binge drinking while pregnant, to think twice about it, then mum's drinking is the least of the kids worries. It is a useless and arrogant suggestion that would protect far fewer children then individuals it would suppress . (like how the lack of Gay marriage & adoption rights currently do Calorie, just in case I didn't make the intended similarity clear enough)
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# 17 : Wednesday 5-2-2014 @ 23:19
 
 
No it should not be illegal to have a drink during pregnancy...During postnatal care, women are made aware of issues around smoking and alcohol...It is up to the individual to process this information...Urine tests detect heavy use of alcohol, foetal measurements are used to determine any effects of substance abuse...Then this is discussed with Nurses and Midwives....
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# 18 : Thursday 6-2-2014 @ 00:06
 
 
Smoking during pregnancy makes smaller babies so they're easier to push out, less recovery time for the mother, less care needed by the state.

Smoking should be compulsory.
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# 19 : Thursday 6-2-2014 @ 06:05
 
 
Someone said :

woah Polo, you skipped from "I don't think a woman should smoke or drink when pregnant" to "but how could it ever be enforced"

there is at least the sentence "and I also think it should be illegal" if not also: "because I have no problem in theory, with restricting the rights of a group I am not a member of, to the whimsy of my opinion" (although I did put a bit of sarcasm into that last one)

If I rewrote you're rhetoric but swapped in gay equal right (in a hypothetical world were gay marriage is as it should be: up to the individual) It would read like this;

This sentence shows the speaker is someone who believes so naturally that their opinion should sway law, that they didn't even bother qualify the leap from what they think (that gays shouldn't marry), straight to issues of re-enforcement.

for the record i don't think it should be illegal but thanks for the lecture anyway. I was merely jumping to the hypothetical situation where it was illegal and scoffing at how it could never be enforced in any case. but aside from that you know you cant just swap in the words "gay marriage" into any debate and say "I win!". Drugs, theft, tax evasion, rape etc etc are all illegal, why don't you swap in the words "gay marriage" and argue as to why those laws are just as oppressive as the laws on gay marriage?
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# 20 : Thursday 6-2-2014 @ 08:50
 
 
Someone said :
In the UK it will be illegal for a pregnant mother to drink if that daughter with fetal syndrome wins her case against her mother.

There is no such thing as "fetal syndrome" and so I assume you mean Foetal Alcohol Syndrome, a condition in children which is caused by excessive alcohol consumption by the mother during pregnancy. Foetal Alcohol Syndrome is not cause by moderate alcohol consumption by the mother during pregnancy.

To claim that any win by the child in the case you mention will result in a ban on mothers drinking any alcohol during pregnancy is illogical as it is ridiculous.
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# 21 : Thursday 6-2-2014 @ 14:27
 
 
I have to agree completely with Maradadi, in fact women should only be educated to a level where they can count the change in the shops so that the family is not ripped off!!!

On a more serious note, it is NO business of the state what a woman does or does not do when she is pregnant or at any other time. She may take medical advice regarding drinking, smoking or anything else while pregnant but the state has no role or function here.
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# 22 : Thursday 6-2-2014 @ 15:31
 
 
There is no role for the State to be interfering in women's liberties whilst pregnant. It is already a societal no-no for a woman to drink heavily whilst pregnant. Fetal alcohol syndrome is caused by very heavy, sustained drinking during pregnancy.
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# 23 : Thursday 6-2-2014 @ 15:39
 
 
It's not that long ago since Irish doctors recommended that pregnant women drink half a pint of Guinness every day while pregnant.
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# 24 : Thursday 6-2-2014 @ 16:45
 
 
Someone said :
Drugs , theft, tax evasion, rape etc etc are all illegal

Alcohol is a drug (ethanol), only Illegal Drugs are Illegal.
It is however a very dangerous drug with more risks to the user and society than many illegal drugs.

Women do not need politicians to tell them what they can or can not do while pregnant, making alcohol illegal for pregnant women would be a great insult and a clear sign that women are not to be trusted.

There is nothing wrong with a pregnant woman having the occasional unit of alcohol while pregnant. Obviously binge drinking is dangerous, but that is common sense and not something that should be enforced.

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# 25 : Thursday 6-2-2014 @ 17:24
 
 
Someone said :
I have to agree completely with Maradadi, in fact women should only be educated to a level where they can count the change in the shops so that the family is not ripped off!!!

On a more serious note, it is NO business of the state what a woman does or does not do when she is pregnant or at any other time. She may take medical advice regarding drinking, smoking or anything else while pregnant but the state has no role or function here.

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# 26 : Thursday 6-2-2014 @ 19:21
 
 
Its maybe the business of the babies who have to live with that deviaous behaviur.
Have they not the right to be born healthy.
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# 27 : Thursday 6-2-2014 @ 19:38
 
 
And in that vein, shouldn't they start life as they plan to carry on? A faint hint of gin on the breath?
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# 28 : Thursday 6-2-2014 @ 19:54
 
 
Someone said :
Its maybe the business of the babies who have to live with that deviaous behaviur.
Have they not the right to be born healthy.

An occasional glass of wine is hardly devious behaviour
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# 29 : Thursday 6-2-2014 @ 20:01
 
 
Alcohol also kills sperm so I would like to see an addendum whereby it would be illegal for any male wishing to procreate to imbibe alcohol. That should about cover it. If either are caught they should be dragged through the streets by their toenails followed by a brass band playing Monty Pythons "every sperm is sacred"
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# 30 : Thursday 6-2-2014 @ 22:56
 
 
Someone said :
Its maybe the business of the babies who have to live with that deviaous behaviur.
Have they not the right to be born healthy.

...Eithne I can fully understand your concern on this issue, However the above statement is ludicrous..When a woman presents at an antenatal clinic she is asked about her uses of drugs,including alcohol and cigarettes ect...Women are encouraged to either stop or at least reduce their underage...Now during the pregnancy urine tests are able to pick up excessive use of alcohol and drugs as do routine blood tests...You can't be I every woman's home, follow them to ensure that they follow guidelines..Suggesting that women who smoke or have the occasional drink are guilty of devious behaviour is ridiculous...A fetous can also be effected by Maternal stress, how do you suggest Policing this?...
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