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# 46 : Friday 7-2-2014 @ 12:20
 
 
Someone said :
I keep misreading the title of this thread as "male drinking while pregnant"... and wondering why we're talking about this when the woman's drinking is the key question.

I did not pick the title so I am not dare change it, but I read the same all the time! Mine was not clear enough
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# 47 : Friday 7-2-2014 @ 12:21
 
 
Someone said :
lol i was starting to wonder was she actually french before i saw that "mildly autistic" post... Et voila!

...Ah now I get it also...Is Braggette her wife?
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# 48 : Friday 7-2-2014 @ 12:27
 
 
It gets better lol
Her English was perfect until it was pointed out there might be a problem with the language barrier, now every post is doctored.
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# 49 : Friday 7-2-2014 @ 12:34
 
 
Someone said :
It gets better lol
Her English was perfect until it was pointed out there might be a problem with the language barrier, now every post is doctored.

....Ok am not sniping at Eitne..However I am totally confused...There are times I am loathe to engage with her, even though she opens some fairly interesting topics...Is Eitne autistic, is she French, does she as she told me Have such an intelligent mind that it results in difficulties ect...For the love of God someone please explain!
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# 50 : Friday 7-2-2014 @ 12:36
 
 
Someone said :
....Ok am not sniping at Eitne..However I am totally confused...There are times I am loathe to engage with her, even though she opens some fairly interesting topics...Is Eitne autistic, is she French, does she as she told me Have such an intelligent mind that it results in difficulties ect...For the love of God someone please explain!

I'm guessing all of the above and none.

Her story changes quite a bit. Read of that what you will.
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# 51 : Friday 7-2-2014 @ 12:40
 
 
Too many people using the paper-man fallacy.

First of all, there is a large continuum along which you have "mothers who drink"

If the people you're protecting are the unborn babies of alcoholic mothers, then prohibition is a poor choice of tool, and probably won't be very effective.
If the people you're protecting are the unborn babies of mothers who have a glass or two of wine every so often, then you are being a self righteous busy-body and you're being disrespectful to women.

but aside from that you know you cant just swap in the words "gay marriage" into any debate and say "I win!".

I tend to do that here because most of the posters here will understand the idea of being bullied by a majority that doesn't know what it's talking about, via the comparison to the gay rights movement. If you read the posts from Miradadi and Imelda, you see they refer to Women's rights and it "being up to the individual".

The issue always boils down to the individual's respect and freedom. It's easy to forget how bad it feels to have people talk flippantly about "your rights". But so often people seem to immediately forget this when it comes to talking about other people's rights.
"yeah, as a gay man I hate it when chat show hosts dredge up the "gay rights" topic and throws it around to get 15 minutes of yakking out of the way, now, let's get back to discussing if it should be illegal for women to drink while pregnant"
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# 52 : Friday 7-2-2014 @ 13:03
 
 
Someone said :

I'm guessing all of the above and none.

Her story changes quite a bit. Read of that what you will.

..Guess this is how to deal with Eithne, simply reply to the original post..Ignore the various confusion around her references to autism ect....
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# 53 : Saturday 8-2-2014 @ 00:03
 
 
I think I would be in favour of (as per the case in the OP) children being able to sue their mothers for causing them to have FAS. But then on the other hand children could sue their parents for any number of abuses. I definitely don't think some people realise how much damage smoking and drinking can do, I mean I only started hearing about FAS as an actual proven condition in the last few years so I'm guessing teens and early school leavers aren't too informed...
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# 54 : Saturday 8-2-2014 @ 00:12
 
 
Someone said :
Too many people using the paper-man fallacy.

First of all, there is a large continuum along which you have "mothers who drink"

If the people you're protecting are the unborn babies of alcoholic mothers, then prohibition is a poor choice of tool, and probably won't be very effective.
If the people you're protecting are the unborn babies of mothers who have a glass or two of wine every so often, then you are being a self righteous busy-body and you're being disrespectful to women.

I tend to do that here because most of the posters here will understand the idea of being bullied by a majority that doesn't know what it's talking about, via the comparison to the gay rights movement. If you read the posts from Miradadi and Imelda, you see they refer to Women's rights and it "being up to the individual".

The issue always boils down to the individual's respect and freedom. It's easy to forget how bad it feels to have people talk flippantly about "your rights". But so often people seem to immediately forget this when it comes to talking about other people's rights.
"yeah, as a gay man I hate it when chat show hosts dredge up the "gay rights" topic and throws it around to get 15 minutes of yakking out of the way, now, let's get back to discussing if it should be illegal for women to drink while pregnant"

Limiting one group to protect another group is hardly the same as limiting gay people because you think their consentual sex acts are disgusting.
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# 55 : Saturday 8-2-2014 @ 10:44
 
 
Someone said :
lol i was starting to wonder was she actually french before i saw that "mildly autistic" post... Et voila!

I don't think she's either
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# 56 : Saturday 8-2-2014 @ 10:46
 
 
Someone said :
It gets better lol
Her English was perfect until it was pointed out there might be a problem with the language barrier, now every post is doctored.

Yeah it's OTT how the language went suddenly very difficult to understand
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# 57 : Saturday 8-2-2014 @ 12:25
 
 
Someone said :
I think I would be in favour of (as per the case in the OP) children being able to sue their mothers for causing them to have FAS. But then on the other hand children could sue their parents for any number of abuses. I definitely don't think some people realise how much damage smoking and drinking can do, I mean I only started hearing about FAS as an actual proven condition in the last few years so I'm guessing teens and early school leavers aren't too informed...

...There is no doubt that heavy smoking and drinking throughout a pregnancy causes harm...Women are given clear, factual guidelines by health professionals...Yet how would allowing children to sue for damages actualy prevent this happening again?...If one child won damages, would this stop those who actualy do drink heavily during pregnancy?...I as a mother have every sympathy for any child who was damaged either physically or mentally by alcohol..Yet, I chose to have my children inoculated against polio ect...If they had been damaged in someway, would you think they had the right to sue me?...I am not advocating that women should not be held responsible for excess drinking or any drug taking, but I had to take medicine throughout all my pregnancies..If one of my children had been born damaged as a result, then surely it is the case that they too could be in their rights to sue me?...What about women who work whilst pregnant in Industries where they were exposed to harmful substances..My mother worked for many years exposed to asbestos, she was breathing this harmful crap in whilst pregnant...If I or one of my siblings had been born damaged as a result could we sue her?..No..Not every woman who gets pregnant is capable of processing information....Many do not fully understand the risks involved, lack of intelligence, addictions ect, this is not excusing the damage caused...However it does explain why some mothers ignore the warning signals..
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# 58 : Saturday 8-2-2014 @ 12:59
 
 
Well said Imelda, people just have to accept that there are situations which connot be policed or fixed by litigation. Excessive drinking during pregnancy is one of these. We can only encourage women to be careful and educate them to the dangers but we cannot do anything about enforcement, nor can we really do anything about redress through litigation as you will probably find that mothers who do drink excessively while pregnant come from the lower socio-economic grouping and have little in the way of resources in the first place.
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# 59 : Saturday 8-2-2014 @ 18:40
 
 
Someone said :
...There is no doubt that heavy smoking and drinking throughout a pregnancy causes harm...Women are given clear, factual guidelines by health professionals...Yet how would allowing children to sue for damages actualy prevent this happening again?...If one child won damages, would this stop those who actualy do drink heavily during pregnancy?...I as a mother have every sympathy for any child who was damaged either physically or mentally by alcohol..Yet, I chose to have my children inoculated against polio ect...If they had been damaged in someway, would you think they had the right to sue me?...I am not advocating that women should not be held responsible for excess drinking or any drug taking, but I had to take medicine throughout all my pregnancies..If one of my children had been born damaged as a result, then surely it is the case that they too could be in their rights to sue me?...What about women who work whilst pregnant in Industries where they were exposed to harmful substances..My mother worked for many years exposed to asbestos, she was breathing this harmful crap in whilst pregnant...If I or one of my siblings had been born damaged as a result could we sue her?..No..Not every woman who gets pregnant is capable of processing information....Many do not fully understand the risks involved, lack of intelligence, addictions ect, this is not excusing the damage caused...However it does explain why some mothers ignore the warning signals..

No, as I said, there are any number of irresponsabilities and abuses during gestation and childhood that a child could sue their parents for. One of the benefits of this girlwinning her case might be that it raises awareness of the potential outcome of drinking during pregnancy though. I think an awareness campaign aimed at schoolgirls might be a good idea. something similar to when they send former drug addicts/road crash victims/etc into schools to raise awareness about the dangers of whatever risky behaviour.
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# 60 : Monday 21-9-2015 @ 00:08
 
 
Saw a very heavily pregnant woman drunk tonight. Not a glass wise. Not tipsy. But very messy drunk.

I can't get my head around why any barperson would serve her in such a state. If she wasn't pregnant she really shouldn't of being served (I'm assuming she was served of course, seeing as she was leaving a local pub) anyways. I hope that they are both okay.

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