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Clinically Dead Woman Kept Alive At 14 Weeks Pregnant
 
# 1 : Thursday 18-12-2014 @ 09:02
 
 
This girl was in the ward with my father when he died, my Mum spoke with several of her family and they are going through hell. It's just a sickening, disgusting situation to be in. I now have experience with making a decision about withdrawing life support for someone and as hard as it is, it is comforting that you can do this final thing for them so they pass away in peace. I'm just sickened and appalled by this story. Enda Kenny needs to visit that beautiful girl and her family before he makes comments about the need for divisive debate.

A PREGNANT woman who is clinically brain-dead is being kept on a life support machine in hospital to keep her baby alive, the Irish Independent can reveal.

The mother of two in her 20s is around 17 weeks pregnant and the baby is still alive. But the mother is being kept alive against the wishes of her parents.
http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/health/clinically-dead-pregnan etc ...
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# 2 : Thursday 18-12-2014 @ 10:19
 
 
I have every sympathy with the family. I have supported legalised abortion in cases of rape or saving the mother's life. What to do when the mother is clinically dead but the foetus lives is very difficult. I think if the baby can be brought to term and have a good quality of life, then the pregancy should proceed. That seems to be what the 1983 amendment implies. On the other hand if the foetus is unviable I would support an abortion.

In the meantime I would favour handing the abortion issue to be examined by a constitutional convention with serious non political and non party representation as well as political.
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# 3 : Thursday 18-12-2014 @ 10:21
 
 
I agree Pennylane, the situation is sickening. Like you I have had to make a decision about withdrawing life support twice, once when my Mum died and then when my partner died. This girl and her family are being held hostage by this state, it's laws and it's government. The frustration and anger I'm feeling right now is hard to describe.
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# 4 : Thursday 18-12-2014 @ 10:32
 
 
That must have been terribly painful Miquelon. My sympathies.
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# 5 : Thursday 18-12-2014 @ 10:33
 
 
This is taking the artificial extension of life a bit too far and takes away all dignity of the now brain dead patient and their family. Just because science can do it doesn't mean they should.

The woman should be allowed to die in peace. Meanwhile our antiquated and ridiculous laws yet again prioritises the existence of a bean sized foetus over that of the life and dignity of the woman concerned. It's cruel!
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# 6 : Thursday 18-12-2014 @ 10:50
 
 
Someone said :
Just because science can do it doesn't mean they should.

Isn't that the irony of it all? So many religious or pro-lifers are concerned about science interfering with nature but when it suits their agenda, they are all for it.

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# 7 : Thursday 18-12-2014 @ 10:52
 
 
Someone said :
I have every sympathy with the family. I have supported legalised abortion in cases of rape or saving the mother's life. What to do when the mother is clinically dead but the foetus lives is very difficult. I think if the baby can be brought to term and have a good quality of life, then the pregancy should proceed. That seems to be what the 1983 amendment implies. On the other hand if the foetus is unviable I would support an abortion.

In the meantime I would favour handing the abortion issue to be examined by a constitutional convention with serious non political and non party representation as well as political.

Ok.

Number one, the foetus isn't viable, the mother is dead? Do you understand that? Dead. There would be no need for an abortion.

Number Two, the doctors don't want to keep this girl on life support, they are only doing because of the fear of the law.
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# 8 : Thursday 18-12-2014 @ 11:08
 
 
On the radio this morning they said that it's possible if they keep the mother on life support the baby might yet be viable. I have heard of such mothers giving birth to healthy children. Perhaps she would have wanted her child to have that chance?

Update: link to where this happened here http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2556485/Braindead-woman-R etc ...
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# 9 : Thursday 18-12-2014 @ 11:57
 
 
But that isn't what the family want, the baby wouldn't survive outside the womb at 16 weeks. Also the girl in that story was 22 weeks pregnant when she got sick, this girl was 14 weeks, babies are born at about 22/24 weeks and can survive outside the womb.
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# 10 : Thursday 18-12-2014 @ 12:01
 
 
Someone said :
But that isn't what the family want, the baby wouldn't survive outside the womb at 16 weeks.

Unfortunately consent seems to be playing no part in this whatsoever.
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# 11 : Thursday 18-12-2014 @ 12:01
 
 
Someone said :
But that isn't what the family want, the baby wouldn't survive outside the womb at 16 weeks. Also the girl in that story was 22 weeks pregnant when she got sick, this girl was 14 weeks, babies are born at about 22/24 weeks and can survive outside the womb.

From what I heard on Newstalk this morning is that it isnt yet clear whether it could be viable or not. Lets wait and see. Let's save what life we can - provided it has a quality of life.
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# 12 : Thursday 18-12-2014 @ 12:12
 
 
Someone said :
From what I heard on Newstalk this morning is that it isnt yet clear whether it could be viable or not. Lets wait and see. Let's save what life we can - provided it has a quality of life.

So you would be happy to leave your sister/daughter lying in a braindead state so you could wait and see? Have you ever seen anyone in intensive care? I saw the poor girl myself, what is happening here is disgusting and it could happen to any woman in Ireland today.
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# 13 : Thursday 18-12-2014 @ 12:13
 
 
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So you would be happy to leave your sister/daughter lying in a braindead state so you could wait and see? Have you ever seen anyone in intensive care? I saw the poor girl myself, what is happening here is disgusting and it could happen to any woman in Ireland today.

What about the baby's life?
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# 14 : Thursday 18-12-2014 @ 12:18
 
 
It is very sad, but this is what her family want. That baby could have serious physical and intellectually issues, who is going to look after her/him? Are you?
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# 15 : Thursday 18-12-2014 @ 13:03
 
 
But its also possible given the link I showed you that the baby will be perfectly normal. I think in this situation, the wisdom of elements of the 1983 amendment is clear. The mother is already dead, but its possible she will leave a connection to her family in the form of her child. However I disagree with the othert aspects of the 1983 amendment that don't allow abortion in cases of rape.

If the issue is that the grandparents cannot afford to care for the child, there is the option of adoption.
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