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# 1 : Wednesday 24-12-2014 @ 09:35
 
 
I was reading this indo article. To me it leaves many questions. Should campaigners avoid using language such as bigot and homophobe? How should the nasty stuff be responded to? I think it's a point that does need to be widely thought out and discussed.

http://m.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/sarah-carey/gay-marria etc ...
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# 2 : Wednesday 24-12-2014 @ 09:45
 
 
What does ME stand for Mango.?
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# 3 : Wednesday 24-12-2014 @ 09:49
 
 
Someone said :
I was reading this indo article. To me it leaves many questions. Should campaigners avoid using language such as bigot and homophobe? How should the nasty stuff be responded to? I think it's a point that does need to be widely thought out and discussed.

http://m.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/sarah-carey/gay-marria etc ...

That article is way too late, sensationalised and pretty awful.

She clearly hasn't much of a clue what she's on about.

If she thinks that Rory "lashed out", she's in for a massive shock if someone ever lashes out at her.
John Waters does have a right to defend himself, but when the evidence is stacked against you, you need to back down.

Old people fearing for the children because they didn't fear for them in the past is a ridiculous point to make, we have far better systems now than just handing off kids to the industrial schools and laundries back then.

And the Bishops of the Catholic Church just wrote about why marriage equality shouldn't happen.

The homophobe/bigot debate died down month's ago, so I'm not sure if she's trying to stir it up again.

The only point in will concede on is the use of the word bigot, you can't live in a democracy and call anyone who disagrees with you a bigot. Right or wrong, when it's a two sided debate, both sides need air time.
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# 4 : Wednesday 24-12-2014 @ 09:52
 
 
Someone said :
What does ME stand for Mango.?

Marriage Equality
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# 5 : Wednesday 24-12-2014 @ 10:14
 
 
Someone said :
I was reading this indo article. To me it leaves many questions. Should campaigners avoid using language such as bigot and homophobe? How should the nasty stuff be responded to? I think it's a point that does need to be widely thought out and discussed.

http://m.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/sarah-carey/gay-marria etc ...

All Language should be allowed, so people can see things for what they are and freedom of speech allowed to the max. Irish people, can make up their own minds about stuff and negative people will be seen for what they are.
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# 6 : Wednesday 24-12-2014 @ 10:20
 
 
Someone said :

All Language should be allowed, so people can see things for what they are and freedom of speech allowed to the max. Irish people, can make up their own minds about stuff and negative people will be seen for what they are.

You're missing the point entirely.
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# 7 : Wednesday 24-12-2014 @ 11:07
 
 
Along with everything else that is wrong and simplistic with the article, I'd love to know how being prodded by BoC to name names can be classified as "lashing out".
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# 8 : Wednesday 24-12-2014 @ 12:37
 
 
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You're missing the point entirely.

What's wrong with, letting things be said that should be out in the open and keep it simple. Horrible things will be said, bad things will be used to push an argument and let it be. It may help us all, take a good look at ourselves and humanity?
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# 9 : Wednesday 24-12-2014 @ 12:53
 
 
Someone said :

What's wrong with, letting things be said that should be out in the open and keep it simple. Horrible things will be said, bad things will be used to push an argument and let it be. It may help us all, take a good look at ourselves and humanity?

So we should all be able to slander or libel someone?
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# 10 : Wednesday 24-12-2014 @ 13:18
 
 
Someone said :

What's wrong with, letting things be said that should be out in the open and keep it simple. Horrible things will be said, bad things will be used to push an argument and let it be. It may help us all, take a good look at ourselves and humanity?

It's not the way society works.
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# 11 : Wednesday 24-12-2014 @ 15:09
 
 
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So we should all be able to slander or libel someone?

No, just keep the debate simple and show each other respect.
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# 12 : Wednesday 24-12-2014 @ 16:21
 
 
An interesting question, Mango.

Complaining isn't confined to the equality side. David Quinn has tweeted about 'fairness', claiming that there isn't fairness in the broadcast media. But that type of complaint isn't seen as abusive.

I think it comes back to Panti's point in the Noble Call: those opposed to marriage equality are arguing about us, you and me and Mycroft, etc. so it's not surprising if some of us argue about them.

At this stage, they are arguing that (ideally) a child should have both a mother and a father. The scientific evidence for that is weak, but it plays on fears many people have about gay men. Rarely is science or logic alone a great tool in a policy debate. (Even in this thread, logic has been abandoned once or twice!) The difficult challenge for our side is to engage the feelings and emotions of the population about our opponents in response to their irrationality without losing the argument.
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# 13 : Wednesday 24-12-2014 @ 17:34
 
 
I have really mixed feelings on this issue.

On the one hand I think the referendum will be easier to win if campaigners in favour avoid calling their opponents bigots and homophobes.

On the other hand I think that this tactic is appeasement and there are times when bigotry and homophobia should be named.
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# 14 : Wednesday 24-12-2014 @ 17:35
 
 
Someone said :

No, just keep the debate simple and show each other respect.

Up above you argued for complete freedom of speech including hate speech. Your arguments are inconsistent.
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# 15 : Wednesday 24-12-2014 @ 20:08
 
 
I think the use of these terms is legitimate provided used in the proper context.
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