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# 46 : Sunday 12-5-2019 @ 22:55
 
 
Someone said :
According to some of todays’ papers there are signs emerging of FF possibly pulling the plug on the deal to keep Leo’s FG minority govt in power over their (mis)handling if preparations for Brexit.

We will have to wait and see. I for one think a general election can’t come soon enough.

FF keeps not wanting the pull the plug, because of Brexit.
We may never again have a General Election at that rate!
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# 47 : Monday 13-5-2019 @ 00:32
 
 
just wait til after the council and euro elections, the numbers will be crunched and they'll think about the percentages .
ff will go for an election if FG have dropped enough but only if Sinn Fein haven't gained too much.
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# 48 : Monday 13-5-2019 @ 18:26
 
 
Ireland, will never be a proper Democracy and accountable when FG/FF/SF/L remains in existence.
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# 49 : Monday 13-5-2019 @ 18:57
 
 
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Ireland, will never be a proper Democracy and accountable when FG/FF/SF/L remains in existence.

You mean "as long as the people are happy to be represented by these parties."
Except maybe for one of them, no voters has been voting with a gun pressed against their heads, have they?
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# 50 : Tuesday 7-1-2020 @ 17:32
 
 
Well, so much for 2018 or 2019...
Looks set for 2020
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# 51 : Tuesday 7-1-2020 @ 18:19
 
 
And Leo just absolutely tanked FG'g chances with his Black & Tans Commemeration..
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# 52 : Tuesday 7-1-2020 @ 22:09
 
 
Someone said :
And Leo just absolutely tanked FG'g chances with his Black & Tans Commemeration..

What a tit he is, a right and left one too.
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# 53 : Tuesday 7-1-2020 @ 22:14
 
 
Someone said :
And Leo just absolutely tanked FG'g chances with his Black & Tans Commemeration..

An inceredibly ill-judged plan that has invoked the ire of the population and has backfired spectactularly and shows their complete arrogance and dissonance with the public.

They are finished in government - notwithstanding their abject policy failures on housing, health, the Maria Bailey "Swinggate" affair etc. this planned fiasco has cost them the coming election.
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# 54 : Wednesday 8-1-2020 @ 07:26
 
 
Someone said :
And Leo just absolutely tanked FG'g chances with his Black & Tans Commemeration..

Its that whole RTE attitude of having to have the other side, no matter how abhorrent, given as much time as everyone else.
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# 55 : Wednesday 8-1-2020 @ 08:11
 
 
Someone said :

Its that whole RTE attitude of having to have the other side, no matter how abhorrent, given as much time as everyone else.

Fortunately not everyone is stuck in the Versailles treaty spirit, where the vindictive spirit of Veritas (I disagree = abhorrent = don’t let them talk)prevails.

Some people understand that commemorating is different from celebrating.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/commemorating-the-ric- etc ...

But again some people will insist on reliving the 1916-1937 period as couch warriors whose bilious parroting of important past struggles matters. They’re going to have a great 20 years undoing the little understanding and forgiveness that even the abhorrent Ian and Martin were able to flesh out.
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# 56 : Wednesday 8-1-2020 @ 10:49
 
 
Someone said :

Fortunately not everyone is stuck in the Versailles treaty spirit, where the vindictive spirit of Veritas (I disagree = abhorrent = don’t let them talk)prevails.

Some people understand that commemorating is different from celebrating.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/commemorating-the-ric- etc ...

But again some people will insist on reliving the 1916-1937 period as couch warriors whose bilious parroting of important past struggles matters. They’re going to have a great 20 years undoing the little understanding and forgiveness that even the abhorrent Ian and Martin were able to flesh out.

It’s a lot more complex and nuanced than that, Blah. Whilst it is important to recognise the historical narrative beyond the standard republican/nationalist one this country was enmeshed in for the best part of a century since achieving Independence - and very understandably so given the struggle to achieve freedom from the yoke of longstanding British control - for instance the role and sacrifices played by the Irishmen who volunteered in and fought WW1 and WW2 that were dismissed/ignored until recent decades, a commemoration of the RIC/DMP who actively oppressed and resisted the wishes of the population to achieve self-determination after the 1918 general election and the atrocities committed by them was just a step way too far.

Leo V and Minister Charles Flanagan were arrogant and belligerent about holding this event and the population voiced their distaste and unhappiness at these plans.

Put it this way: would it be appropriate for the French government to commemorate Petain and the Nazi collaborators in France under the Nazi-controlled Vichy regime during the Second World War? Would the French people be willing to accept such a commemoration?


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# 57 : Wednesday 8-1-2020 @ 17:12
 
 
Has he forgotten, the British had to be driven out of India also and how they left a mess there with Pakistan? Where did he learn history?
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# 58 : Wednesday 8-1-2020 @ 17:16
 
 
The Historical and Reconciliation Police (Harp) Society has held commemorative services since 2012 without all the electioneering-inspired drama.

They did not honour the Black and Tans or the Auxiliaries.

In France, the regular forces that died under the abhorrent collaborative regime are still included when these forces’ losses are remembered, minus the war criminals among them.

The bulk of them current police forces have not been extensively disbanded, despite them swearing allegiance to Vichy, and some taking part in exactions.

But no one suggests seriously to not honour the (late) involvement of the Police Nationale in the Resistance, or the more consistent resistance of parts of the Gendarmerie. Excluding from commemorations the individuals who have been disgraced.

So yes, it is more complex than “kill the bastards!”.
Like the milice was not the French Police, the UVF was not the RUC, the B&T/Auxiliaries were not the RIC/DMP.

It takes a lot of bad faith to equate a low key remembrance of a regular force who did wrong, with the exulted celebration of a milice.

Professor Diarmaid Ferriter of the Expert Advisory Group on Commemorations said they never recommended that there should be a State ceremony for the RIC and DMP.

However, their advice is ambiguously phrased, stating that “consideration should also be given to the organisation of specific initiatives to commemorate the Royal Irish Constabulary (RIC) and the Dublin Metropolitan Police (DMP) and to acknowledge their place in history”.

So the got did not pluck the idea out of thin air, and it took months for FF to decide that it was worth scoring a few shinner points...

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# 59 : Wednesday 8-1-2020 @ 17:26
 
 
Do you think, FG did it to distract from their failures and it has backfired up their backsides?
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# 60 : Wednesday 8-1-2020 @ 17:37
 
 
Someone said :
Do you think, FG did it to distract from their failures and it has backfired up their backsides?

It was way too low key: if it had not been blown out of proportions it would not have had more visibility than the September commemorations. Did you hear about the September commemorations before this week?

If it had gone ahead you would never have even noticed it was happening!
So no, FG did not plan some mastermind smoke screen...

SF and FF had nothing to say on the record in April when these things were being discussed, and FF very wisely does not fully oppose commemorations as such but “the lack of consultation”.
SF is always quicker to jump on the “popular outcry” than forming an informed opinion when decisions are made, as if they were more interested in the pay-check and publicity than in the actual jobs involved in representing constituents...

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