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# 61 : Tuesday 8-1-2019 @ 21:44
 
 
Someone said :
How would you like to be called a slut or even a paedophile because of narrow minded generalizations that people might demand that you fit into. Judge the person, not the group!

A slut I am.
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# 62 : Wednesday 9-1-2019 @ 05:14
 
 
Someone said :
How would you like to be called a slut or even a paedophile because of narrow minded generalizations that people might demand that you fit into. Judge the person, not the group!

Per capita of the population there is a huge percentage of travellers in the prison system compared to other minorities. That is my question. Why?
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# 63 : Wednesday 9-1-2019 @ 07:28
 
 
Someone said :

Per capita of the population there is a huge percentage of travellers in the prison system compared to other minorities. That is my question. Why?

Can I see the statistics ?
What kinds of crimes?

I question why white collar crime isn’t prosecuted in this country and why there’s a constant dog whistle on welfare fraud, even though statistically it’s irrekevant and the major part of the welfare budget is paid to old pensioners.
The new dog whistle is to pick on travellers which Casey exploited successfully but it’s still a dog whistle .
The question to ask in Ireland is if our prisons are full of our minorities what’s up with our police force and judicial system ? Why don’t they pursue crime in the general population and send them to prison? White collar crime isn’t prosecuted!
There’s nods winks and a definite who you know network operating throughout the country that needs to change.
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# 64 : Wednesday 9-1-2019 @ 08:56
 
 
Someone said :

Per capita of the population there is a huge percentage of travellers in the prison system compared to other minorities. That is my question. Why?

You’ve said before. My issue on this subject is generalizations.
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# 65 : Thursday 10-1-2019 @ 14:03
 
 
Someone said :
[...]instead long for the most visible group.
Why is that?
[...]

You seem to have answered your own question.
The most visible groups are more visible than the least visible groups.

Old people are not afraid of bankers when someone rings at the door after the dark.

People do not have endless stories of a neighboring farmer being robbed and beaten for a few pounds of metal, by bankers. (and the few that do know that it was not unprovoked, if they did not pay their mortgage...)

You cannot ask the general population to ignore what is most visible to them
(Whether or not what they experience is statistically significant is a different matter: people do not experience statistics)
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# 66 : Thursday 10-1-2019 @ 18:55
 
 
Someone said :

You seem to have answered your own question.
The most visible groups are more visible than the least visible groups.

Old people are not afraid of bankers when someone rings at the door after the dark.

People do not have endless stories of a neighboring farmer being robbed and beaten for a few pounds of metal, by bankers. (and the few that do know that it was not unprovoked, if they did not pay their mortgage...)

You cannot ask the general population to ignore what is most visible to them
(Whether or not what they experience is statistically significant is a different matter: people do not experience statistics)

Quality post.
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# 67 : Thursday 10-1-2019 @ 19:01
 
 
Someone said :

You seem to have answered your own question.
The most visible groups are more visible than the least visible groups.

Old people are not afraid of bankers when someone rings at the door after the dark.

People do not have endless stories of a neighboring farmer being robbed and beaten for a few pounds of metal, by bankers. (and the few that do know that it was not unprovoked, if they did not pay their mortgage...)

You cannot ask the general population to ignore what is most visible to them
(Whether or not what they experience is statistically significant is a different matter: people do not experience statistics)

Yes but you can dog whistle any group ! Jews, Muslims, immigrants whatever group you like .
The issues are actually and will always be policing and judicial.
You say you haven't been affected by bankers actions ? You don't then have a functioning brain or you don't use it to reason !
If you think traveller petty crime is the problem when white collar major crime is being ignored then you are a sheep and you may as well sit in front of your tv and wait for commands on how and what you should think.
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# 68 : Thursday 10-1-2019 @ 20:06
 
 
Someone said :

You seem to have answered your own question.
The most visible groups are more visible than the least visible groups.

Old people are not afraid of bankers when someone rings at the door after the dark.

People do not have endless stories of a neighboring farmer being robbed and beaten for a few pounds of metal, by bankers. (and the few that do know that it was not unprovoked, if they did not pay their mortgage...)

You cannot ask the general population to ignore what is most visible to them
(Whether or not what they experience is statistically significant is a different matter: people do not experience statistics)

Can I ask the population not to judge an individual based on what their perception of their peers is? Or should we go old school and chuck them on the back of the bus.
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# 69 : Thursday 10-1-2019 @ 23:18
 
 
Does anyone understand the concept of once bitten, twice shy ?
We are built in to give our prejudices more weight when rooted in experience (even second-hand, even anecdotal, even with flimsy basis) than we are giving to reason and third-party evidence.
The French expression translates as: "a cat who got scalded will shy away from cold water." (He will still drink water, but he will not willingly jump in a pond of unknown temperature, and will readily jump out of the way of splashing water)

You cannot efficiently work to reduce prejudice by telling people they are idiots, or bad people, without taking the time to understand how they relate to their fears, worries, experiences.
They might need a bit of positive reinforcement

Someone said :

[...]
If you think traveller petty crime is the problem when white collar major crime is being ignored then you are a sheep and you may as well sit in front of your tv and wait for commands on how and what you should think.

You seem to assume that I agree with the general population's perception.
Could it be that it may be because you find it hard to see the point of view of people you do not agree with?

There is a distance between "I can understand why the general public think that they are more impacted by petty crime and local violence than by remote corporate trickery" and "I believe that petty crime is the problem and that white color is not important".


You say you haven't been affected by bankers actions ?

I did not say anything remotely close to that unless you removed a lot of words and replaced others at your leisure.
I said that people are not experiencing the way they are affected by banker's crimes with the same closeness, urgency, and "visibility" as the way they are affected by petty crimes, from minorities or from majorities for that matter.

Someone said :
Can I ask the population not to judge an individual based on what their perception of their peers is? Or should we go old school and chuck them on the back of the bus.

You can "ask" them what you want, but if your only argument is that they are imagining things and that they are wrong and that you know best, you might find it hard to be heard.

Or are you judging them based on your perception of that the general population's prejudices are?

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# 70 : Thursday 10-1-2019 @ 23:23
 
 
You do know, it'd be easier to argue with a Donkey and it'd understand better,
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# 71 : Thursday 10-1-2019 @ 23:58
 
 
Someone said :
Does anyone understand the concept of once bitten, twice shy ?
We are built in to give our prejudices more weight when rooted in experience (even second-hand, even anecdotal, even with flimsy basis) than we are giving to reason and third-party evidence.
The French expression translates as: "a cat who got scalded will shy away from cold water." (He will still drink water, but he will not willingly jump in a pond of unknown temperature, and will readily jump out of the way of splashing water)

You cannot efficiently work to reduce prejudice by telling people they are idiots, or bad people, without taking the time to understand how they relate to their fears, worries, experiences.
They might need a bit of positive reinforcement


You seem to assume that I agree with the general population's perception.
Could it be that it may be because you find it hard to see the point of view of people you do not agree with?

There is a distance between "I can understand why the general public think that they are more impacted by petty crime and local violence than by remote corporate trickery" and "I believe that petty crime is the problem and that white color is not important".

I did not say anything remotely close to that unless you removed a lot of words and replaced others at your leisure.
I said that people are not experiencing the way they are affected by banker's crimes with the same closeness, urgency, and "visibility" as the way they are affected by petty crimes, from minorities or from majorities for that matter.

You can "ask" them what you want, but if your only argument is that they are imagining things and that they are wrong and that you know best, you might find it hard to be heard.

Or are you judging them based on your perception of that the general population's prejudices are?

I don’t think the entire population are prejudiced. I was following on from your point.
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# 72 : Friday 11-1-2019 @ 02:26
 
 
I think probably most people are prejudiced on some level myself included which is part of the problem if you treat people like scum their much more likely to act like it,But I think it's a ridiculous mindset to tar all of them with the same brush someone used the analogy if judging people from Dublin just because of the criminal elements I'd hate to be judged just because I'm from a working class Dublin background although I would accept begin judged for being a bit of a cunt which I'll admit to
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# 73 : Friday 11-1-2019 @ 11:58
 
 
Someone said :
Does anyone understand the concept of once bitten, twice shy ?
We are built in to give our prejudices more weight when rooted in experience (even second-hand, even anecdotal, even with flimsy basis) than we are giving to reason and third-party evidence.
The French expression translates as: "a cat who got scalded will shy away from cold water." (He will still drink water, but he will not willingly jump in a pond of unknown temperature, and will readily jump out of the way of splashing water)

You cannot efficiently work to reduce prejudice by telling people they are idiots, or bad people, without taking the time to understand how they relate to their fears, worries, experiences.
They might need a bit of positive reinforcement


You seem to assume that I agree with the general population's perception.
Could it be that it may be because you find it hard to see the point of view of people you do not agree with?

There is a distance between "I can understand why the general public think that they are more impacted by petty crime and local violence than by remote corporate trickery" and "I believe that petty crime is the problem and that white color is not important".

I did not say anything remotely close to that unless you removed a lot of words and replaced others at your leisure.
I said that people are not experiencing the way they are affected by banker's crimes with the same closeness, urgency, and "visibility" as the way they are affected by petty crimes, from minorities or from majorities for that matter.

You can "ask" them what you want, but if your only argument is that they are imagining things and that they are wrong and that you know best, you might find it hard to be heard.

Or are you judging them based on your perception of that the general population's prejudices are?

An explanation for a dog whistle !
With a French anecdote .
Still makes it a dog whistle .
You can transpose your comments to any other minority word for word.
The issues are and always will be policing and the judicial system, if both are fair and function and are applied correctly then there shouldn't be any difficulties .
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# 74 : Friday 18-1-2019 @ 10:32
 
 
A British family is responsible for insurance claims here - tourism insurance claims they call it - of more than a million euro -
Strange you won't have Peter Casey or certain elements on here going on about them !
I wonder why?
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# 75 : Friday 18-1-2019 @ 17:03
 
 
Someone said :
A British family is responsible for insurance claims here - tourism insurance claims they call it - of more than a million euro -
Strange you won't have Peter Casey or certain elements on here going on about them !
I wonder why?

Is peter gay, a Gaire user and your type of guy?
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