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Gender-neutral Toilets: From Ally McBeal To DoE
 
# 1 : Thursday 22-4-2021 @ 12:50
 
 
The DoE has issues optional design guidelines for schools who want to implement gender-neutral toilets.

One aim is to reduce bullying: the sinks tend to be visible from the corridor.
It has been praised by LGBTQ+ supporters, as it is much more trans-friendly than other options.
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# 2 : Thursday 22-4-2021 @ 13:13
 
 
Someone said :
The DoE has issues optional design guidelines for schools who want to implement gender-neutral toilets.

One aim is to reduce bullying: the sinks tend to be visible from the corridor.
It has been praised by LGBTQ+ supporters, as it is much more trans-friendly than other options.

Genuine question .

How does the position of the sinks reduce bullying ?
Will that mean the actual toilets will be on view to anyone in a corridor ?
Toilets won't have a entrance door ?
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# 3 : Thursday 22-4-2021 @ 14:34
 
 
Someone said :

Genuine question .

How does the position of the sinks reduce bullying ?
Will that mean the actual toilets will be on view to anyone in a corridor ?
Toilets won't have a entrance door ?

I suppose, bullies can't hang around by the sinks and wait for their victim or be saying nasty things?
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# 4 : Thursday 22-4-2021 @ 14:38
 
 
Someone said :

Genuine question .

How does the position of the sinks reduce bullying ?
Will that mean the actual toilets will be on view to anyone in a corridor ?
Toilets won't have a entrance door ?

Good point.
Toilet cubicles will be mostly out of view, and have individual doors.
There can be a lot of unsavoury things happening when toilets are fully enclosed. Here the private part of the toilet is out of view (the fully enclosed cubicle), but every one can see who comes in and out, and what happens at the sinks. Pretty much the same is in an airport or shopping centre.

And these are only guidelines: it is the school decision in the end how they organise the layout.

Another guidelines for instance is to have more smaller units rather than 1 big one, to reduce disruption from cleaning.

One issue of course will be that traditionally queue at the gents' is smaller than at the ladies', therefore men will see a noticeable increase in wait time. But for once men are worse off
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# 5 : Thursday 22-4-2021 @ 15:06
 
 
Have you ever waited, for a lady to do her business in town and you better wear a nappy. A few ladies, will feel insecure and you'll get the perverts waiting for an opportunity to attack in shared bathrooms. I can't se it, going down well with the women and I can understand that.
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# 6 : Thursday 22-4-2021 @ 17:12
 
 
Someone said :

Good point.
Toilet cubicles will be mostly out of view, and have individual doors.
There can be a lot of unsavoury things happening when toilets are fully enclosed. Here the private part of the toilet is out of view (the fully enclosed cubicle), but every one can see who comes in and out, and what happens at the sinks. Pretty much the same is in an airport or shopping centre.

And these are only guidelines: it is the school decision in the end how they organise the layout.

Another guidelines for instance is to have more smaller units rather than 1 big one, to reduce disruption from cleaning.

One issue of course will be that traditionally queue at the gents' is smaller than at the ladies', therefore men will see a noticeable increase in wait time. But for once men are worse off

Okay I'm getting a clearer image now.
Sinks in the centre viewable from outside corridors but cubicles private.
I'm not up to speed with incidences of bullying in toilets these days but from memory of my days at school the toilets could be a dangerous place if certain kids didn't like you .
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# 7 : Thursday 22-4-2021 @ 17:41
 
 
And I take it more girls were bullied by mean girls than by pervert boys?
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# 8 : Thursday 22-4-2021 @ 21:37
 
 
I don't see how this helps Trans kids, I mean creating gender neutral toilets isn't acknowledging Trans kids chosen gender, it's ignoring Cis kids actual gender and essentially solving the problems by forcing all kids to think of themselves as genderless or at the very least engage in an action that ignores their gender. Also if a kid identifies as Male to Female Transsexual then is forcing them to use a gender neutral toilet not still a denial of their female gender identity? it is basically saying "We are going to acknowledge your female gender by giving you a toilet that ignores all genders thus solving the problem for us and in no way acknowledging your female gender at all, as a matter of fact just think of it as you are no longer male or female at all, just think of yourself as 'neutral' from now on but since everyone else is 'neutral' too now you can't complain"
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# 9 : Thursday 22-4-2021 @ 21:59
 
 
It's not only for trans kids.
It also benefits non-binary children.

I remember in my school a very camp boy going to the girls' bathroom all the time without any issue. He just was not comfortable in boys' toilets.

First time I saw the idea in Ally McBeal I thought that it was potentially a good idea, whatever the reasons for it.
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# 10 : Friday 23-4-2021 @ 06:16
 
 
Someone said :
It's not only for trans kids.
It also benefits non-binary children.

I remember in my school a very camp boy going to the girls' bathroom all the time without any issue. He just was not comfortable in boys' toilets.

First time I saw the idea in Ally McBeal I thought that it was potentially a good idea, whatever the reasons for it.

No, it only benefits non-binary kids, it doesn't benefit Cis kids because it ignores their gender difference and it doesn't benefit Trans kids because it denies their chosen gender and besides, in al off this, has anyone asked the Cis gendered kids how they feel about sharing a toilet with the opposite sex? I mean how are teenage girls going to feel if they have go into a toilet to change a sanitary towel and the toilet is full of teenage boys? or even worse it is full of teenage boys and there is only one cubicle available and when she walks in the floor and toilet seat are covered in piss? because trust me on this if the toilets are anything like the toilets I had to use as a kid then the cleaners would want to be just standing there constantly ready with a mop. But I'm sure their solution to that will then be to further degender (if that's not a word it should be nowadays) Cis males by requiring them to sit when they piss.
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# 11 : Saturday 24-4-2021 @ 19:44
 
 
Never realized going for something as simple as a piss could be such a minefield for some
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# 12 : Saturday 24-4-2021 @ 21:30
 
 
Someone said :
Never realized going for something as simple as a piss could be such a minefield for some

Men always torn between, sitting or standing. To think, over 100 years ago people would be happy to have a toilet and now we are fighting over how many we need?
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# 13 : Saturday 24-4-2021 @ 23:21
 
 
Someone said :
Never realized going for something as simple as a piss could be such a minefield for some

If I found myself in a minefield I would develop an urgent need to pass water. I never thought about it being a bad idea until Killer Frost pointed it out.
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# 14 : Sunday 25-4-2021 @ 10:47
 
 
Someone said :

No, it only benefits non-binary kids, it doesn't benefit Cis kids because it ignores their gender difference and it doesn't benefit Trans kids because it denies their chosen gender and besides, in al off this, has anyone asked the Cis gendered kids how they feel about sharing a toilet with the opposite sex? I mean how are teenage girls going to feel if they have go into a toilet to change a sanitary towel and the toilet is full of teenage boys? or even worse it is full of teenage boys and there is only one cubicle available and when she walks in the floor and toilet seat are covered in piss? because trust me on this if the toilets are anything like the toilets I had to use as a kid then the cleaners would want to be just standing there constantly ready with a mop. But I'm sure their solution to that will then be to further degender (if that's not a word it should be nowadays) Cis males by requiring them to sit when they piss.

I've used men's cubicles in nightclubs and bars for years as the state of the women's cubicles was stomach churning ( I've got a phobia about dirty toilets ) I've always found the men's cubicles a heck of a lot cleaner .
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# 15 : Sunday 25-4-2021 @ 10:54
 
 
Someone said :

I've used men's cubicles in nightclubs and bars for years as the state of the women's cubicles was stomach churning ( I've got a phobia about dirty toilets ) I've always found the men's cubicles a heck of a lot cleaner .

You've obviously never been in a male toilet in secondary school, you practically have to swim to the cubicle through a river of piss, shit and bog roll
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