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National Protest 9th December 2005
# 31 : Tuesday 6-12-2005 @ 19:47
Still not employed, so don't think my going on a day of protest will achieve much. Personally, id prefer to see Irish Ferries go to the wall rather than have the standards management want in place. If they can't turn a profit paying minimum wage, then they will just have to close, and let better run companies take up the routes. That's also part of capitalism, sometimes companies fail.
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# 32 : Tuesday 6-12-2005 @ 20:14
I'm completely against the unions here.

Irish Ferries are providing a very necessary service to the public. The unions are trying to force them to pay above market wages. But who will foot the bill? The customer of course - YOU.

Our economy's competitiveness will be undermined if we start forcing companies to pay above the odds for labour.

EVERYONE will be worse off in the long run if prices are higher.

Yes workers need protections from their employers. But when it becomes uneconomical to hire the workers in the first place then a union should step aside.
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# 33 : Wednesday 7-12-2005 @ 03:28
Hmm, a lot of extreme right wing views here

I'm 100% with Newgrange here, what Irish Ferries is trying to do is disgusting. The only reason they might get away with it is because of a loophole in EU law. It's nothing to do with competitiveness, it's about pure greed.

Stena Line, P&O, and NorseMerchant will still be sailing the Irish Sea and paying their staff a living wage. If I have cause to sail to England anytime soon I'd sail with one of these companies.
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# 34 : Wednesday 7-12-2005 @ 13:55
again I would ask those against unionisation would they work for 1 euro an hour or 3.65 an hour -

Leinster Lad - without unions there would be little or no strong labour law in this country - the unions are a collective and this is about showing solidarity to those who work for a company that favours profit over people
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# 35 : Wednesday 7-12-2005 @ 14:01
@IRL55 - Nobody is forcing the unions to pay "above market rates" Jesus man, they want to exploite foreign workers for below min wage. €3 an hour.

If Irish Ferries ceases trading then so be it. It will be a costly lession which they could have avoided. I can't imagine Stena following suit somehow.
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# 36 : Wednesday 7-12-2005 @ 14:35
3.65 an hour is a good wage for eastern europe, they're simply paying at the locla market rate if tehy decide to move to another country
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# 37 : Wednesday 7-12-2005 @ 14:38
Latvian recruitment agencies have said it's not - again I ask frodo would you work for 3.65 an hour
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# 38 : Wednesday 7-12-2005 @ 14:39
I'll have you know that in the late 90's I was earning 500 euro a month workin full time- less than 3.65m an hou so the answer is yeah
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# 39 : Wednesday 7-12-2005 @ 14:50
Frodo - was that in Ireland?
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# 40 : Wednesday 7-12-2005 @ 14:50
But it depends on both when and where you're working. A minimum wage that would be adequate for Cyprus wouldn't be adequate for Ireland.
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# 41 : Wednesday 7-12-2005 @ 14:55
no that was in Portugal and taht was quite an ok wage- minimum wage is less than 400 pm. I seriously doubt 3.65 is below latvian standars

And just to prove my point a quick research revealed that the minimum wage in Latvia is LVL 0.474 (EUR 0.71) an hour!!!!

When you put it in perspective, 3.65 is a fucking great wage for them Latvians!!!
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# 42 : Wednesday 7-12-2005 @ 15:04
Not to labour the point, but it may be a great wage if you're working in Latvia but that doesn't make it a great wage if you're working in Ireland/Wales.
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# 43 : Wednesday 7-12-2005 @ 15:08
I don't understand how they can do that if these people will be living in Ireland/Wales. Minimum wage is at least £4 so how do they justify paying these people just because they are from another country.
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# 44 : Wednesday 7-12-2005 @ 15:11
They get around taht by registering their company in Latvia so it will eb subject to latvian law. Sneaky fuckers!
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# 45 : Wednesday 7-12-2005 @ 15:20
Oh have you changed your mind now. Will you be marching on Friday then?
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