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National Protest 9th December 2005
 
# 46 : Wednesday 7-12-2005 @ 15:23
 
 
No I havev no changed my mind, i think most protests achieve nothing and are a nuisance. I think think they can only pay 3.65 if they want and if taht's legal in Latvia . I think they were bastards in firing the whole crew to do so, though.

oh, and unions are communist nonsense
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# 47 : Wednesday 7-12-2005 @ 15:46
 
 
Protests keep issues alive. I'd still lover to hear your argument as to why unions are communists though.
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# 48 : Wednesday 7-12-2005 @ 15:49
 
 
They just are.
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# 49 : Wednesday 7-12-2005 @ 15:51
 
 
I don't understand how they can do that if these people will be living in Ireland/Wales. Minimum wage is at least £4 so how do they justify paying these people just because they are from another country

As far as i know (and i could be wrong) but i think the workers will be living on the ship.. they wont actually be living in Ireland.. so their accomodation and food is paid for and then they get that low rate per hour..
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# 50 : Wednesday 7-12-2005 @ 15:55
 
 
Dubgaz - you're correct. Imagine the rights they will enjoy under their employer. Afraid to question anything. Living in fear in case they loose their jobs. A great life don't you think
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# 51 : Wednesday 7-12-2005 @ 17:13
 
 
That's a good point Dubgaz. would you live on a ship? - the fact that these people won't even see dry land is another good argument against this slave driving company

Frodo - you might have worked for that in Portugal but it's a completely different cost of living - so I seriously at this point in time you would work for 3.65 an hour in Ireland

I was hesitating about protesting on Friday but some people here are really convincing me that neo-liberal economics and the race to the bottom where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer needs to be fought tooth and nail

Frodo - you have proved you no reason for saying unions are communists

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# 52 : Wednesday 7-12-2005 @ 18:08
 
 
Frodo
"oh, and unions are communist nonsense"

and Frodo again
"They just are."

Wow such a towering intellect on display there from frodo
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# 53 : Wednesday 7-12-2005 @ 18:14
 
 

Oh of course they're communist Rubberboy - sure weren't the unions telling Stalin how to run the USSR back in the 50s?

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# 54 : Wednesday 7-12-2005 @ 18:21
 
 
100 miles up the coast there are ferrys travelling from Larne to Scotland the same thing can't happen there as the companies has to pick and follow the laws of either the North or Ireland or Scotland.

Irish ferryies are not sailing the high seas they are traveling on short journary between Ireland and the UK they should be forced to except the law of either one of those countries. They are using a loophole in Irish laws to get around legitmate regulations.

Flag of convence shipping is done to avoid costs, safety regulations/maintaince, minium number of crew and crew qualifications. Serach through shipping disasters and for the most case you will find the ships involved are using flags of convenence.

The Irish goverment chould change the laws to make sure the scheduled ferry services have to regulated by one of the countries that they ship from.

Internationaly we should be moving to stop the use of flags of convience.
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# 55 : Wednesday 7-12-2005 @ 18:25
 
 
This is my first delve into this thread and I can't believe the right-wing claptrap being parroted by some people. Do ye really believe this or did ye just read it in some Anglo-American journal and think "Oooh, that would be a clever thing to say at some party."

Cop on, people. The good conditions we have now didn't fall out of the sky. If it wasn't for the trade unionists and workers' rights activists of the past century and a half, we'd all still be working 12 hours days six or seven days a week in factories with no safety legislation, no right to annual leave, no pensions and on the crappiest wages.

Anyone who thinks that legislation has made unions redundant should look across the Atlantic at the USA where the unions have been slowly emasculated over the past quarter century meaning that more and more people are falling down the social ladder into low wage work. You might also consider reading a book called "Nickeled and Dimed", written by a journalist who spent a year on the minimum "wage". Some of these people don't even earn enough to eat.

The debate seems to be taking on an Irish v Latvian mood. Irish and Latvian workers should be uniting since in the end it's a common cause they're fighting for. The Latvians will soon find that the Romanians or Albanians will work for even less so they'll get the boot too.

I'd boycott Irish Ferries. It would teach them a lesson and hopefully scare any other Irish company into not contemplating such duplicitous action. They need to know that the workers of Europe are not so easily divided and conquered.
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# 56 : Thursday 8-12-2005 @ 00:30
 
 
This thread just convinced me to join the march on Friday.
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# 57 : Thursday 8-12-2005 @ 18:28
 
 
is dreadful
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# 58 : Friday 9-12-2005 @ 13:04
 
 



Just found out that the strike means the busses wont be running from 12-4:30pm today... i have work at 7pm tonight and now im stuck in college...

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# 59 : Friday 9-12-2005 @ 13:07
 
 
now this communist upheaval doesn't sound so good, now does it?
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# 60 : Friday 9-12-2005 @ 13:08
 
 

On the contrary- now Irish Ferries sound like stubborn, selfish bastards.

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