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National Protest 9th December 2005
 
# 61 : Friday 9-12-2005 @ 13:20
 
 
Frodo - So those of us who are protesting today are all communist militants! Change the record! If you aren't willing to back up your comments, shut up!
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# 62 : Friday 9-12-2005 @ 13:24
 
 
Do the people in here really think that Unions are necessary in an Ireland of the 21st century?
We have the highest minimum wage in Europe. We have one of the shortest working weeks in Europe. Is it a shock to people that companies are struggling to make this country pay anymore. I for one am delighted at Irish Ferries approach to this dispute. They own the company, they run it, they are in it to make money and if Irish Workers are too expensive then get rid. I heard a guy on the Adrian Kennedy phone show the other night saying he worked for irish ferries at the moment and his hourly wage was over €20.00. If he was determined to keep pushing his wage limit to unrealistic levels then serves him right. I work in an industry which is not unionised and I get treated fairly. I get paid and paid well for what I do. I also heard union leaders claim during the week that this could begin a race to the bottom in terms of employment standards and practises. Somebody else also had the gaul to suggest that the maximum wage in ireland would become €7.50 an hour. I hope that Irish Ferries do hire whatever workers they want and the sooner all the unions piss off and let workers work the better.
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# 63 : Friday 9-12-2005 @ 13:28
 
 

If Irish Ferries entered into a basic pay agreement of €20.00 per hour, then it's their fault. If they're going to fire staff for getting paid, then they are the ones living in a fantasy land. it is a loophole in Irish law that permits what they are doing, and it is clearly against the spirit of the law.

fetch
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# 64 : Friday 9-12-2005 @ 13:29
 
 
well if it was on the adrian kennedy phone show it must be true..

Lightening, you must be self employed or employer as no paye worker could seriously think that you can just sack an entire work force because you can bring in cheaper workers.. on the balance sheet it might look good but you're talking about people.
The company should change its name to Latvian ferries. Perhaps people should hit them where it hurts and boycott the company..
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# 65 : Friday 9-12-2005 @ 13:31
 
 
I agree with Fetch and Efferal and add that it's also about supporting the diognity and self-respect of the striking workforce.
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# 66 : Friday 9-12-2005 @ 13:34
 
 
(I just wish Dublin bus didn't have to suspend services to facilitate it - i have to work tonight)

fetch
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# 67 : Friday 9-12-2005 @ 13:37
 
 
Well they will understand Fetch and If you think they won't ring them and tell they will have to pay for a taxi. Plenty of those will be still working.

Oh and I agree with Fetch and Efferal.
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# 68 : Friday 9-12-2005 @ 13:40
 
 
I am a PAYE worker and have never agreed with unions. I'm on the side of Michael O'Leary in that Unions are always blocking progress, improvements and competition.
A perfect example is the Dart Drivers going on strike last year over having to drive longer trains and wanting more money to do that - God Help them!
Another example is de-centralisation - where else would you get away with telling your emplyer well I don't want to move to another part of the country. Like any other job they should be told if you want to keep your job you move otherwise you loose your job.
Unions are out dated and unnecessary in my humble opinion and the sooner people stop paying their union dues the better.
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# 69 : Friday 9-12-2005 @ 13:42
 
 
Lightning - you sound like the type of employee Michael O'Leary would love. A total walkover!
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# 70 : Friday 9-12-2005 @ 13:43
 
 

It's very easy to claim unions are outdated based upon a few choice examples, but i think you will find that the majority will support them and that the Irish Ferries case is a strong one in favour of unions and workers rights.

fetch
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# 71 : Friday 9-12-2005 @ 13:46
 
 
public transport should be back online by mid afternoon, panic ye not.
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# 72 : Friday 9-12-2005 @ 13:47
 
 
How so Fetch?

Why should a company such as Irish Ferries be forced to employ people at over €20.00 an hour when they can hire somebody of the same level and pay them half that?

Please tell me why in an economy of 400,000,000 people i.e. Europe they should be forced to do that.

This is no longer a stand alone economy and the sooner irish people realise that the better.
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# 73 : Friday 9-12-2005 @ 13:49
 
 
lightning, what would you do if you were fired and replaced by someone willing to work for mw, pat your boss on the back and say well done?
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# 74 : Friday 9-12-2005 @ 13:52
 
 

firstly lightning, the employer - irish Ferries entered into a legal contract when they employed those people.

Secondly, you're basing your argument on something you heard on a radio show that has neither been confirmed as truth or disproven to be an isolated incident in the event that it is true.

fetch
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# 75 : Friday 9-12-2005 @ 14:00
 
 
@Fetch: Yes they entered a contract with the employees and now want out hence the compensation in terms of redundancy.

My opinions are gathered from a number of sources not just the moron on the Adrian Kennedy phone show. I read the papers, I watch the news, I talk to people and I can see both sides of the story.

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They tried that a number of times in my particular industry even out sourcing a large amount of work to China but the simple economics are not always the best.

Quality suffered at some point and sometimes and I know this is gonna come as a shock to all those people sympathetic to the Irish Ferries staff the cheapest is not always the best.

Basically I think much of todays protest is scare mongering on the part of the unions who realise that they are not the force they used to be.

The sme's association has only today accused SIPTU of furthering its own agenda coming into the next Social Partnership scheme.

Why are you all so head strong in favour of the employees when its actually the people who pay your wages and keep you all employed?
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