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Can You Be Racist Sometimes?
 
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# 31 : Monday 28-5-2007 @ 21:34
 
 
Interestingly (maybe) the "racist" theories, try to give scientific ground to the idea of intolerance, was devised before WW" by Japanese and Italian/French/German so called "scientists" trying to prove each on their side the superiority of "their race" over the other one.

Amazingly, and in very much unscientifical manner, each nations demonstrated that they were right from the start and that the other team was of a lower race.
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# 32 : Monday 28-5-2007 @ 21:36
 
 
well in that case SN let me make myself very clear. If an Irish person wasn't out working for a living I would have the same view of that person as I would of someone from Eastern Europe who was not out working for a living. Of course all that is working on the assumption that they are able bodied.

Frankly, I think a better discussion would be bigotry. It is broader and encompasses more than race issues.
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# 33 : Monday 28-5-2007 @ 21:37
 
 
Isnt it ironic that there are neo-nazi groups in germany today who believe the jews are intellectually inferior to the germans yet some of the most intelligent germans were jews, freud einstein and marx!
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# 34 : Monday 28-5-2007 @ 21:38
 
 
Lucifer what if the person genuinly cant find employment?
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# 35 : Monday 28-5-2007 @ 21:39
 
 
It is not so ironic after all: the objectively inferior will always feel the need to find a scapegoat to feel better about themselves.
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# 36 : Monday 28-5-2007 @ 21:40
 
 
yes i agree with you, bigotry is what kazzie is initially referring to in her OP.

But the idea of racism is in itself an interesting one because a) there are two forms general - direct and indirect and b) as Proinsias points out, the origins of 'race' is completely rooted in nationalism, eugenics, and imperialism and the concept if race is indeed a false one.
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# 37 : Monday 28-5-2007 @ 21:42
 
 
It is not so ironic after all: the objectively inferior will always feel the need to find a scapegoat to feel better about themselves.

I think if we boil this conversation down to the core of it we would find that the above quote is 100% correct. This conversation is about one persons need to try and make the other feel less valid.
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# 38 : Monday 28-5-2007 @ 21:50
 
 
It is not so ironic after all: the objectively inferior will always feel the need to find a scapegoat to feel better about themselves.

It was never that Prion, I was just being rude and used the lowest common denominator approach to insult you.

I think if we boil this conversation down to the core of it we would find that the above quote is 100% correct. This conversation is about one persons need to try and make the other feel less valid.

If thats an attempt at a cheap shot then you're wasting your time Beethoven, I freely admitted what I did, I publically apoligised before this thread was even started and you're totally off topic now.
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# 39 : Monday 28-5-2007 @ 21:52
 
 
If thats an attempt at a cheap shot then you're wasting your time Beethoven, I freely admitted what I did, I publically apoligised before this thread was even started and you're totally off topic now.

No-body made a cheap shot at you. I made a statement of what I believe to be fact about racial remarks in general. The only one making cheap shots, is, as usual, you.

I don't use the online name of Beethoven, as you can see I changed it some time ago.
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# 40 : Monday 28-5-2007 @ 22:01
 
 
Well I'm not racist but .....those non nationals just drive me crazy!!
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# 41 : Monday 28-5-2007 @ 22:10
 
 
I don't use the online name of Beethoven, as you can see I changed it some time ago.

Oh I see and what exactly is my online name now?
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# 42 : Monday 28-5-2007 @ 22:11
 
 
Kazobel and Lucifer, you might continue this discussion in mail.
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# 43 : Monday 28-5-2007 @ 22:13
 
 
Well it's easy for someone to be a racist to explain why they are mean to certain groups of people. But it goes a little beyond skin colour, sexual orientation, gender issues when even families themselves are turning on each other. Is that too a form of racism? Cos in my eyes tis the same thing!
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# 44 : Monday 28-5-2007 @ 22:16
 
 
But it goes a little beyond skin colour, sexula orientation, gender issues when even families themselves are turning on each other. Is that too a form of racism? Cos in my eyes tis the same thing!

Simple answer. No! Racisim refers to bigotry based on race.

What you are talking about is bigotry also but of a different kind.

Catz, I was defending my opinion on this matter and my right to post to the thread. That is all.
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# 45 : Monday 28-5-2007 @ 22:21
 
 
Am I a racist ?..If the defination of being classed as a racist because I hate a race of people because of their colour or what others have rammed down my throat or what I have percieved them to be from history or propaganda...The answer is no I`m not.

If the defination is classed as someone that just feels totally pissed off from seeing scams and downright dishonesty ranging from scams,traffic crimes,credit card fraud to name but a few then hold my hand up and say Yes I am racist.

It`s getting to a stage that I feel like a visitor in my own country. I was in a shop this morning and there was about 30 customers in the shop every one of them excluding myself and the shop keeper were speaking Polish.(just to use one example )
I think it`s just rude.I would have conversational Irish (not great but I manage) but under no circumstances would I use it in front of someone that dosen`t understand it.
One of the main problems is that people are coming to Ireland and not even bothering to integrate .
So I suppose I am a racist.
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